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  •  May I remind you that the so called "renewable... (1+ / 0-)
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    6412093" industry would collapse in a New York second without access to dangerous natural gas.

    It would seem to me that the renewable industry gets a bye on its gas dependence, just as it does on the externalities associated with lanthanide mining and - how ironic is this? - radioactive (thorium) lanthanide tailings that the nuclear industry would be happy to decontaminate, were it not for selective attention, just as it gets a bye on the disposal of electronic waste and greenhouse gases associated with semiconductor manufacturing and the disposal of defective panels..

    I mean, after all, once one accounts for the flat screen TV industry, what is the second largest industry to contribute to NF3 concentrations in humanity's favorite waste dump, the planetary atmosphere, the potent greenhouse gas whose concentrations have risen as high as 11% per year ever since the solar industry, in yet another of their classic "bait and switches" phased out regulated SF6 and substituted unregulated NF3.

    Cool, I guess, if you can get away with it.

    To my mind, if you support solar and wind, you support gas, whether you know or not, period, unless you believe that the public should live without electricity on hot, windless nights.  I would add that if you support solar energy, you have very, very, very selective attention to climate change, since the industry, despite spending 100's of billions of dollars, 100's of billions of euros, 100s of trillions of yen and yuan, can't even support the servers burning gas and coal to tell us how wonderful solar energy is, and nevertheless has a clear disturbing visible signature in the planetary atmosphere with a very troublesome, if unregulated, greenhouse gas.

    Enjoy the coming holiday.

    •  I read your link... (1+ / 0-)
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      about disposal of defective panels, and it doesn't mention anything about disposing of them.  Yes, it's a problem when corporations cut corners to boost margins and end up producing crappy product that fails far sooner than it should.

      But that doesn't indicate a problem with solar as much as it does a systemic problem of unregulated capitalism: focus on short-term profit at the exclusion of all else.  At least when they skimp on solar we don't end up with deadly explosions a la Deepwater Horizon or West, TX.

      As for NF3, the article you link to indicates that there is a process used in the industry that largely eliminates the problem.  But it's expensive, so again, we have unregulated factories taking shortcuts and creating an environmental mess.  

      I don't know what's been trickling down, but it hasn't been pleasant---N. Pelosi

      by Russycle on Wed Jul 03, 2013 at 11:06:12 AM PDT

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      • worries...I guess. (0+ / 0-)

        As is typical with every other issue connected with the failed, expensive, toxic solar industry, the failure to mention it means it's not a problem.

        I guess this means that the solar industry has been gathering up all the toxic cadmium and selenium and finding a great place for it, even if, as you say, evil corporations make them.

        After Hurricane Sandy, I had some solar cells laying on my block that had been ripped off telephone poles around here.

        They lay where they were for several months, and they were, in fact, cadmium laced First Solar jobs.

        I'm sure that because the solar industry is so clean that they were disposed of properly, right?

        Somehow, I don't think so.    The solar industry is absolutely free to dump its waste on future generations, despite the fact that it produces trivial amounts of energy, so trivial as to be essentially useless, because rather than look at it objectively, it's become an element of chanting and sloganeering that can't be questioned.

    •  the dynamic is more in the reverse direction (0+ / 0-)

      than you say - namely that renewable energy is propping up natural gas more than vice versa.

      •  Really? The natural gas industry would... (0+ / 0-)

        ...collapse without the wind and solar industry?

        That's a new one.

        Maybe you can explain the mechanism of this astounding claim.

        Never mind...I really don't want to know.

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