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  •  Many of the neocons are social moderates. (5+ / 0-)

    I wouldn't be shocked to learn that Cheney is pro-choice as well.

    Those issues are peripheral to the neocon world view. The growth of the surveillance state is absolutely central. If a politician agrees with Cheney and Bush on that, it's entirely fair to describe him or her as a neocon as well...

    big D on the team cap notwithstanding.

    When you triangulate everything, you can't even roll downhill...

    by PhilJD on Tue Jul 02, 2013 at 12:55:08 PM PDT

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    •  how convenient for you (3+ / 0-)
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      that you are able to label some issues of agreement with Cheney as definitive and some as non-important. Saves the trouble of actually making an argument.

      self-appointed intellectual cop

      by citizen k on Tue Jul 02, 2013 at 01:02:45 PM PDT

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    •  That's not a description of NeoCon I've seen (0+ / 0-)

      before, the surveillance state.

    •  I don't think Cheney is a social moderate. (1+ / 0-)
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      He just has a lesbian daughter, is all.

      Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

      by corvo on Tue Jul 02, 2013 at 01:33:57 PM PDT

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      •  I have no problem giving--literally!--the Devil (2+ / 0-)
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        his due in this. Compare Cheney's stance here to Alan Keyes' repudiation of his daughter, also a lesbian.

        Social issues are not what motivate the neocons.

        When you triangulate everything, you can't even roll downhill...

        by PhilJD on Tue Jul 02, 2013 at 01:47:49 PM PDT

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        •  That's true, of course, but (1+ / 0-)
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          I'm not aware of any other social issues on which Cheney has bothered to articulate a stance.

          Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

          by corvo on Tue Jul 02, 2013 at 02:45:40 PM PDT

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