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  •  This isn't about patriotism (16+ / 0-)

    It's about supporting companies who employ union workers.

    Never in history has so much money been spent to resist equality; the gross sums of money being spent to take us backwards is lewd, is pornographic is blatant and is arrogant. --Reverend Dr. William Barber, 2012

    by SottoVoce on Wed Jul 03, 2013 at 11:36:52 AM PDT

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    •  Not at the expense of my health. (1+ / 0-)
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      Blue as I am, pro-union as I am, I'm still horribly nauseated at reading those food descriptions.

      (-7.62,-7.33) Carbon footprint 11.3 metric tons. l'Enfer, c'est les autres.

      by argomd on Wed Jul 03, 2013 at 11:41:03 AM PDT

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      •  exactly (2+ / 0-)
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        I'm not eating this trash no matter who makes it. As long as U.S. farmers are putting hormones in their cows, chickens, and everything else, count me out.

        •  I like junky food on holidays (4+ / 0-)
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          and can compromise once on occasion for the larger hoards we might feed and/or meet.

          "So, please stay where you are. Don't move and don't panic. Don't take off your shoes! Jobs is on the way."

          by wader on Wed Jul 03, 2013 at 11:58:17 AM PDT

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          •  Me too, buddy. (3+ / 0-)
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            There are a lot of wonderful plant-based foods, and I have been trying to consume less meat, but sausages are delicious. And it's the 4th of July, where you should be getting drunk and shooting off fireworks, so the healthy living can wait until the 5th.

            •  It's strange how your appetite changes... (4+ / 0-)
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              Simply lost my taste for fried foods, salt, sweets, meats, and the like when my budget forced exclusion of anyone else's cooking or processing.  

              Nothing noble about it, though I hate do Monsanto for its socio-economic evil, not for its GM grains.

              There's another bit of luck here:  I'm an old enough Southern woman that I learned to cook without recipes about the time I started school.  There's not much I can't make a meal of, on those rare days I'm still hungry.

              Always eat tomatoes off my vines, even if I'm not hungry.  No budget for chemicals, so the only contamination is the occasional bird dropping or bug.

              Bon appetit!  (and a safe holiday to you all!!)

              (-7.62,-7.33) Carbon footprint 11.3 metric tons. l'Enfer, c'est les autres.

              by argomd on Wed Jul 03, 2013 at 02:15:30 PM PDT

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        •  Ok, so find farms and veggie companies... (6+ / 0-)

          That employ union workers. And put pressure on those farms and companies that don't. I don't think the point is WHAT you prefer to consume, but how those things get to your table.

          •  Too poor to buy. I grow (almost all) my own. (1+ / 0-)
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            So, despite my age, I've a fairly comprehensive idea how any given foodstuff makes its way to my table.

            (I declared the statute of limitations over for anything left in my pantry more than 5 years.  I swallow the blame along with the staleness.  No bugs, though, so I'm lucky there.)

            I do get your point, of course.  There are some local veggie producers who market direct to consumers, but their smallest one-season 1/2-share basket costs more than my annual expenditure on all foods.  Plus they almost always end up fully subscribed, with no sales of "extras" anywhere else in the county.  What should I do in that case?

            (-7.62,-7.33) Carbon footprint 11.3 metric tons. l'Enfer, c'est les autres.

            by argomd on Wed Jul 03, 2013 at 02:04:07 PM PDT

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            •  Cool you grow your own.... (0+ / 0-)

              Personally, I never got into organic because of health reasons, but because the locally-grown, organic stuff from farmer's markets and produce stands seemed to taste so much better. Certainly, I love the taste of the tomatoes and squash we grow at home. Of course, I've always suspected that many small, local, organic farmers at the markets are often exploiting undocumented laborers.

              It's a tricky world. One nice thing is that even if I can't know what the working conditions on the farms are, I can buy from union grocery stores, and try to make a difference that way.

              •  Yup! Even produce in the local Amish markets... (0+ / 0-)

                is delivered to them in cartons from large produce dealers out of state.  When I bought a flat of okra from them a couple of years back, they couldn't hide that.

                Their corn, seasonal tomatoes, and cantaloupe seem to be local, but the rest... hit and miss.

                It ain't easy being (or tryin' to be) green!

                (-7.62,-7.33) Carbon footprint 11.3 metric tons. l'Enfer, c'est les autres.

                by argomd on Fri Jul 05, 2013 at 04:53:43 PM PDT

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        •  Yep. There are more reasons, too, but that'll do. (0+ / 0-)

          (-7.62,-7.33) Carbon footprint 11.3 metric tons. l'Enfer, c'est les autres.

          by argomd on Wed Jul 03, 2013 at 01:57:05 PM PDT

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        •  good lord. (5+ / 0-)

          then this diary isn't really directed at you then.

          but many people, liberals, will have a day when they are buying hot dogs and hamburgers and pretzels and other "trash".

          What's wrong with helping the, buy consciously?

          If you have a list of suppliers of non junkie foods or junkie foods that don't have junk in them, post it. But this diary is about union manufacturing support which is a primary issue for a lot of folks, as you well know.

          •  Please, don't send me away! (0+ / 0-)

            Just because I don't see the subject the same as you.  The world, and Kos, is full of folks with viewpoints orthogonal to mine.  I find value and information in those viewpoints -- unless they're expressed with hostility, anger, ridicule, or scorn.

            I'd been waiting months for your prescription for taking back the states from the Cons, and here you sneer at me for not following your prescription for "the expected response"to this light-hearted diary.  That exclusiveness is off-putting, to say it gently.

            Gee.  Not the openness I've associated with Democrats.  

            Seriously.  But DK has certainly changed.  Sorry to have fallen short of your standards.

            (-7.62,-7.33) Carbon footprint 11.3 metric tons. l'Enfer, c'est les autres.

            by argomd on Wed Jul 03, 2013 at 02:25:57 PM PDT

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      •  So... don't eat it... (2+ / 0-)
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        The diary DID say

        If barbecuing or grilling is on your agenda
        (emphasis added)

        This is about union support, not your personal tastes...

        Americans who vote against their own interests are driven by "the human need to find a strand of significance that will hold everything together that isn't on TV..." (quote is from P. Roth in "Sabbath's Theater")

        by ceebee7 on Wed Jul 03, 2013 at 03:44:22 PM PDT

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    •  Amen! (7+ / 0-)

      And I don't think the kind of patriotism where you support your fellow Americans in having a better standard of living is a bad thing at all.

      Food processing can be hard, dangerous work. In addition to better pay and benefits, you can be damn sure union shops are safer places to work.

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