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  •  "The Father of Waters again goes unvexed to the (16+ / 0-)

    sea."

    Could that guy Lincoln write a line, or what?

    "They come, they come To build a wall between us We know they won't win."--Crowded House, "Don't Dream It's Over."

    by Wildthumb on Thu Jul 04, 2013 at 06:42:43 PM PDT

    •  It is a horrible mistake, IMO, that Lincloln (1+ / 0-)
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      was a Repbulican.

      I resent that. I demand snark, and overly so -- Markos Moulitsas.

      by commonmass on Thu Jul 04, 2013 at 06:44:39 PM PDT

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      •  Ah, but how Republicanism has changed since Abe. (7+ / 0-)

        "They come, they come To build a wall between us We know they won't win."--Crowded House, "Don't Dream It's Over."

        by Wildthumb on Thu Jul 04, 2013 at 06:57:39 PM PDT

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      •  There was a polarity reversal (3+ / 0-)
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        in 1912.  Roosevelt-Taft primary presaged the gradual realignment over the next century.

        First they came for the slippery-slope fallacists, and I said nothing. The End.

        by Cream Puff on Thu Jul 04, 2013 at 09:22:17 PM PDT

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      •  Two flavors of Republicanism. (5+ / 0-)

        They are in play in my state.  The old "broadcloth" type is that of the Main Street merchant or independent farmer who doesn't want to be taxed or regulated.  These areas frequently have an array of social services and public amenities that compares with the big blue cities, though scaled for size.  For example, the infrared county to my north has a nice library;  it's unfair to impeach it for being smaller than Chicago's or New York's.  Three of the infinitely Republican counties surrounding mine spent amazing sums of private and public money to bring the state community college into the community -- imagine $1.5 million raised by a city with about 17,000 people that is not particularly prosperous.  

        The other is the old Southern-style Democrat.  For all its glorious downtown, Meridian Street (a main drag) on Indianapolis' south side does not have sidewalks;  people have to walk on the street or tread on each other's lawns to get around without cars.  They are going to lose their branches of the community college -- rented at market rates by that college which wanted to have a presence in some fairly populous counties.  

        The first flavor is slowly becoming indistinguishable from an Obama Democrat.  The second flavor is invested in the Teahad.

        "Politics should be the part-time profession of every citizen who would protect the rights and privileges of free people and who would preserve what is good and fruitful in our national heritage." -- Lucille Ball

        by Yamaneko2 on Thu Jul 04, 2013 at 10:13:07 PM PDT

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      •  In 1861, the Republicans were the good guys (2+ / 0-)
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        They were opposed to slavery, in favor of small farmers and businessmen and against large corporations.

        Personally, I think that it's Jefferson Davis's dying curse on the Republican Party that they became what they are today - the party of bigots, religious nuts and giant corporations.

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