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  •  Lincoln was angry with Meade as well (6+ / 0-)

    The president wanted Meade to chase Lee down after beating him at Gettysburg. But Meade let him get away. Leadership was much better in the west than the east til 1864, when Grant took over.

    An ambulance can only go so fast - Neil Young

    by mightymouse on Thu Jul 04, 2013 at 07:24:33 PM PDT

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    •  Meade definitely screwed up at Gettysburg. (8+ / 0-)

      It was another missed opportunity to destroy the Army of Northern Virginia.

      Grant and Sherman knew the filthy work that had to be done to win the war. It's sad so many men on both sides had to die before they were set loose to do the filthy work of total war that had to be done.

      John Roberts? Melville Fuller?? WTF is the difference???.

      by Walt starr on Thu Jul 04, 2013 at 07:29:49 PM PDT

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      •  In fairness to Meade (2+ / 0-)
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        rbird, mightymouse

        His army had suffered unprecedented casualties and his cavalry was pretty well blown away after the holding actions they performed on July 1, and the battles at East Cavalry Field (http://en.wikipedia.org/...) on the 3rd.

        Both armies were very badly chewed up and disorganized, so it would have been a feat of tactical genius to cut off Lee's retreat. Even if Meade had managed it, he could have only brought just a fraction of the Army of the Potomac to bear against the desperate retreating Army of Northern Virginia.

        Maybe the AotP could have further disrupted the ANV and taken some more prisoners and killed some more rebels, but my bet is that Lee would have found some way to get away unless the Federals could have brought up competently-led, fresh army from elsewhere.

      •  That reminded me of something Sun wrote (3+ / 0-)
        It is only one who is thoroughly acquainted with the evils of war that can thoroughly understand the profitable way of carrying it on.
        - The Art of War, Sun Tzu

        Tell me what to write. tellmewhattowrite.com 'To know what is right and to do it are two different things.' - Chushingura, a tale of The Forty-Seven Ronin

        by rbird on Fri Jul 05, 2013 at 01:27:28 AM PDT

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