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  •  You know what posts like this remind me of? (1+ / 0-)
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    Charles Hall

    It reminds me that every single blessed time a Southerner posts anything on this board, no matter what it is, even if it is about the color of the sky, he or she is attacked with a reminder about how "we" (as in, the Southerners who, in the 21st century are posting on the board) started the Civil War; how we never let it go; how we are always reminding everyone about the war every five minutes; how our whole character is subsumed, informed, colored and curated by the war, the war, the war, the war, the war ...

    Either the war is over, or it's not.  I personally am glad it is, and I personally think it was a great tragedy for everyone concerned.

    •  Yes, there is too much bashing of the South (2+ / 0-)
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      Charles Hall, GarySeven

      and Southerners qua Southerners on this site. And yet, it may be only my imagination but I believe that the situation has gotten somewhat better in that regard over the last few years (with plenty of room for improvement). There are those here who speak out against this bashing when we see it, and plenty of us aren't from the southern states. Latter-day Northern Civil War triumphalism isn't pretty, as the North didn't explicitly fight for any ideal higher than national self-preservation (not a bad cause, but not all that noble either), had given up slavery not all that long before, and especially when the people expressing this triumphalism shed none of their own blood in that conflict.

      However, although the North and South are not any longer at war as regions, the South-bashers are certainly not the only ones keeping its memory green. The Stars and Bars is still a popular emblem for lots of people. The war continues in the national imagination. Again we have a national party devoting much of its energies to restricting the rights and power of an underclass and utilizing the rhetoric of "states rights" to this end.

      Finally, although I agree the war was a great tragedy (or, as one man put it, a "mighty scourge") for multitudes of Americans, I think that it was decidedly not a tragedy for everyone. It may have been intended at the outset by no one then in power, North or South, but the war did result in the elimination of legal slavery.  No other result could have even partially justified such a hideous slaughter, and although I cannot but think that the war was a huge mistake, I am glad beyond measure that it did have that result.

      My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set right.
      --Carl Schurz, remarks in the Senate, February 29, 1872

      by leftist vegetarian patriot on Thu Jul 04, 2013 at 09:38:38 PM PDT

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