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  •  delays. (20+ / 0-)

    the whole thing has been delayed in more ways than one.

    in the meantime, our fellow citizens go without much needed care.

    every adult is responsible for every child

    by ridemybike on Wed Jul 03, 2013 at 09:09:26 AM PDT

    •  Although there is an up side (4+ / 0-)
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      katrinka, HeyMikey, Fury, shigeru

      1) the big businesses don't get to spend millions yelling about this and cutting their workforces so they don't have to offer them insurance

      2) but then the individuals will be encouraged to go to the exchanges instead of relying on employer based health insurance. THAT would be a big win for everyone, actually, since de-coupling health insurance from having a job would be a great advance for a great many people, stuck in odious jobs and fearful of trying to move or strike out on their own.

      •  But this doesn't affect "big business." (3+ / 0-)
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        I can't think of a business I would characterize as "big" that doesn't have far more than 50 employees.

        But if you're correct about beginning to decouple health care from employment, I think that would be a very positive development.

        •  It would be a big deal if there is a replacement. (0+ / 0-)

          There isn't. It is a very big burden on all enterprises small and large.

          "Oh, I am heartily tired of hearing about what Lee is going to do..... Go back to your command, and try to think what are we going to do ourselves, instead of what Lee is going to do." Grant

          by shigeru on Wed Jul 03, 2013 at 11:29:07 AM PDT

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      •  Decoupling health care from employment is a big (3+ / 0-)
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        Zack from the SFV, TexasTom, deep h20

        deal and makes incredible sense.

        But...

        This big mess is likely to create some sour looks if the individual mandate isn't pushed back too.

        Never mind the money that won't be coming in from employers. The optics are terrible: The big boys and girls get off the hook while the rest of us get screwed.

        LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

        by dinotrac on Wed Jul 03, 2013 at 10:10:40 AM PDT

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      •  One-third right. The real problem. (3+ / 0-)
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        MKDAWUSS, Zack from the SFV, deep h20

        (1) Putting more people into the exchanges, decoupling healthcare from job, is a good thing. You're right about this.

        (2) Employers have been enjoying record profits for several years now. They would not have to cut jobs due to the insurance mandate. True, they'd shift to more people working under 30 hours a week; this would result in some people earning less, but would also result in more of the unemployed being hired. A redistribution of economic misery, but not a net increase in it.

        (3) The real loss is in the states not expanding Medicare. Plenty of part-time workers will earn too little to receive subsidies for the exchanges. That's right, if your income is below 100% of poverty, you will earn too LITTLE to receive a subsidy.

        Example: let's say you earn $8 an hour and work 28 hours a week, 50 weeks a year. Your annual income is $11,200 a year. Let's say you're single and have no kids. The Obamacare subsidy you'll get is ZERO.

        This is a betrayal, and political malpractice (see my other comment on this diary).

        Subsidy calculator: http://kff.org/...

        "The true strength of our nation comes not from the might of our arms or the scale of our wealth, but from the enduring power of our ideals." - Barack Obama

        by HeyMikey on Wed Jul 03, 2013 at 10:15:57 AM PDT

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      •  Until the folks find that: (0+ / 0-)

        1. no options in their states OR
        2. cost a bazillion bucks.

        "Oh, I am heartily tired of hearing about what Lee is going to do..... Go back to your command, and try to think what are we going to do ourselves, instead of what Lee is going to do." Grant

        by shigeru on Wed Jul 03, 2013 at 11:30:07 AM PDT

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