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  •  I'm talking about the post/diary, itself. (0+ / 0-)

    Not one single mention of the words, "economy" or "economic." Racism and the economy are joined at the hip, in America as much--I'd say even moreso--as anywhere else the planet.

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    by bobswern on Wed Jul 03, 2013 at 09:35:27 AM PDT

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    •  The diary essentially asks a question (2+ / 0-)
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      In your view, an answer - even THE answer to that question is economic. For others it might be social issues, class, unconscious racism, whatever. And, of course, a useful answer probably includes elements of several of those things.

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      by Catte Nappe on Wed Jul 03, 2013 at 09:47:20 AM PDT

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      •  Racism certainly is NOT, exclusively, an... (0+ / 0-)

        ...economic issue, IMHO. Not by any stretch. But racism--and even slavery, itself, looking at U.S. racism, historically--are, and have been, "joined at the hip" with twisted economic issues. Merely stating a fact...just one of many facts about racism, in general. That's why I find it hard to discuss racism--at least if one's going to have a thorough discussion about it, especially in the U.S.; but it's applicable to most countries' histories with the subject--without discussing the distorted economic aspects that affect those discussions, too.

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        by bobswern on Wed Jul 03, 2013 at 11:35:04 AM PDT

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    •  I think it's sorta there (3+ / 0-)
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      Jim Crow spawned the civil rights movement which coincided with a period of progressive activism that lead to major victories for progressives on many fronts including employment, education, healthcare. During that era, serious chasms emerged between northern and southern Democrats that resulted in many southern Democrats joining the Republican party. This marked the beginning of the period Marshal Ganz refers to in his discussion of successful rightwing mobilization. But what happened to progressives after this period and after the birth of the "Southern Strategy"?
      That certainly isn't a soup-to-nuts analysis (from any perspective) of how racism and the economy are joined at the hip. It's a start.

      It is interesting that in the diarist's list of eight issues that progressives are currently debating, "living wage" arguably is the only one that is bread-and-butter economics. I think the diarist probably has that more or less right, which isn't to say that progressives do.

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      by HudsonValleyMark on Wed Jul 03, 2013 at 09:58:06 AM PDT

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