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  •  Bradley Manning is sitting in jail right now. (43+ / 1-)

    He can't write a letter because they won't let him.

    Times have changed since MLK.

    "Pulling together is the aim of despotism and tyranny. Free men pull in all kinds of directions.” --Lord Vetinari

    by voracious on Wed Jul 03, 2013 at 10:09:59 AM PDT

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    •  Manning's case is different from Snowden's (13+ / 0-)

      In one important regard. Manning is a member of the military and thus can be held under far more restrictive conditions than Snowden would be.

      If we get to the point in this country that a criminal defendant who isn't n the military can be locked away and never heard from again than we have far bigger problems than the programs that either Manning or Snowden exposed.

      •  Really? (10+ / 0-)

        So, you believe that Eighth Amendment protections suddenly disappear because you are a member of the military?

        •  Other Consititutional rights do (7+ / 0-)

          Starting with the first. It is true, military members do not enjoy exactly the same rights civilians do.

          “Texas is a so-called red state, but you’ve got 10 million Democrats here in Texas. And …, there are a whole lot of people here in Texas who need us, and who need us to fight for them.” President Obama

          by Catte Nappe on Wed Jul 03, 2013 at 11:17:00 AM PDT

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        •  Mindrayge, once someone signs (4+ / 0-)

          that dotted line to join the military they are essentially owned by the federal government. UCMJ law is far different than civilian law in that respect

          •  Except that (0+ / 0-)

            The 8th Amendment (in addition to UCMJ Article 55) does apply in court martial actions. Case after case can be found in military appellate decisions mentioning it.

            •  This debate is irrelevent anyway. (3+ / 0-)
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              Because the statement by voracious that kicked it off is a bald faced lie.

              Manning IS able to write letters during confinement. He always has been.

              Please proceed, Governor.

              by USArmyParatrooper on Wed Jul 03, 2013 at 02:28:23 PM PDT

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              •  Sorry about that. I thought I remembered (0+ / 0-)

                him being in solitary confinement and not allowed to even communicate with a lawyer. I thought in the beginning he was forced to be nude because they thought he was a suicide risk.

                I guess I was remembering something else.

                "Pulling together is the aim of despotism and tyranny. Free men pull in all kinds of directions.” --Lord Vetinari

                by voracious on Wed Jul 03, 2013 at 04:21:34 PM PDT

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                •  You're wrong about that as well. (2+ / 0-)
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                  This is what happens when people don't also fact check things that confirm their own beliefs.

                  Lots and lots of misinformation about Manning's so-called torture.


                  A Typical Day for PFC Bradley Manning

                  PFC Manning is currently being held in maximum custody. Since arriving at the Quantico Confinement Facility in July of 2010, he has been held under Prevention of Injury (POI) watch.

                  His cell is approximately six feet wide and twelve feet in length.

                  The cell has a bed, a drinking fountain, and a toilet.

                  The guards at the confinement facility are professional. At no time have they tried to bully, harass, or embarrass PFC Manning. Given the nature of their job, however, they do not engage in conversation with PFC Manning.

                  At 5:00 a.m. he is woken up (on weekends, he is allowed to sleep until 7:00 a.m.). Under the rules for the confinement facility, he is not allowed to sleep at anytime between 5:00 a.m. and 8:00 p.m. If he attempts to sleep during those hours, he will be made to sit up or stand by the guards.

                  He is allowed to watch television during the day. The television stations are limited to the basic local stations. His access to the television ranges from 1 to 3 hours on weekdays to 3 to 6 hours on weekends.

                  He cannot see other inmates from his cell. He can occasionally hear other inmates talk. Due to being a pretrial confinement facility, inmates rarely stay at the facility for any length of time. Currently, there are no other inmates near his cell.

                  From 7:00 p.m. to 9:20 p.m., he is given correspondence time. He is given access to a pen and paper. He is allowed to write letters to family, friends, and his attorneys.

                  Each night, during his correspondence time, he is allowed to take a 15 to 20 minute shower.

                  On weekends and holidays, he is allowed to have approved visitors see him from 12:00 to 3:00 p.m.

                  He is allowed to receive letters from those on his approved list and from his legal counsel. If he receives a letter from someone not on his approved list, he must sign a rejection form. The letter is then either returned to the sender or destroyed.

                  He is allowed to have any combination of up to 15 books or magazines. He must request the book or magazine by name. Once the book or magazine has been reviewed by the literary board at the confinement facility, and approved, he is allowed to have someone on his approved list send it to him. The person sending the book or magazine to him must do so through a publisher or an approved distributor such as Amazon. They are not allowed to mail the book or magazine directly to PFC Manning.

                  Please proceed, Governor.

                  by USArmyParatrooper on Wed Jul 03, 2013 at 05:11:18 PM PDT

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                  •  Yes, I just said that I was wrong (2+ / 0-)
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                    And I apologized for being wrong.

                    "Pulling together is the aim of despotism and tyranny. Free men pull in all kinds of directions.” --Lord Vetinari

                    by voracious on Wed Jul 03, 2013 at 05:14:55 PM PDT

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                    •  I'm sorry if it came off as harsh. (1+ / 0-)
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                      I just see so much hyperbole and disinformation out there with anything military related it's really frustrating.

                      I respect the hell out of you for owning up to it. That shows you have integrity, a rare trait these days.

                      I want to remove the TR from your post but I prefer people say, "WTF, why did he TR him??" so they can see the truth.


                      Please proceed, Governor.

                      by USArmyParatrooper on Wed Jul 03, 2013 at 05:18:08 PM PDT

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                      •  I have a question though. (0+ / 0-)

                        I just went back and reviewed some of Jesselyn Radack's diaries about this and I guess I misunderstood but in her diary How the US Military Tortured Bradley Manning

                        She mentions that he was kept in isolation for 23 hours a day and forced to be naked because even his underwear put him at a suicide risk.

                        She seems like a pretty reliable source and from reading the material this afternoon, it sounds like Manning only got to be in better quarters 9 months after his arrest and only because the trial started.

                        "Pulling together is the aim of despotism and tyranny. Free men pull in all kinds of directions.” --Lord Vetinari

                        by voracious on Wed Jul 03, 2013 at 05:48:25 PM PDT

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                        •  Fair question. (2+ / 0-)
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                          He was in Maximum Custody and on Prevention of Injury Watch.

                          It is true inmates in Max Custody are in one man cells and only get out for exercise for an hour a day. They can also watch TV, read books, and have visitors on weekends and holidays.

                          It sucks, yes. But that's the nature of being both, in Max Custody and POI watch. It wasn't something special just for PFC Manning.

                          Mind you, his lawyer made very fair arguments for why he should not be in Max and on POI. But neither is hardly surprising. His most serious charge is aiding the enemy. It's a capital crime in the US military, so due to the seriousness of it they put him in Max.

                          As for POI, due to his history of outbursts and emotional instability, that doesn't surprise me either. The defense argued that the prison psychiatrist said he's a low risk for suicide, but responsibility for Manning's saftey - and thus ultimately the decision about POI is up to the Commander.

                          As for the underwear thing, Manning made a remark to a guard about hanging himself with his underwear. So they took his underwear at night, which meant he had to sleep naked. A couple nights later they gave him a tear free smock.

                          Keep in mind, I acknowledge that fair arguments can be made that being on Max + POI plus taking his underwear might have been an over reaction. But then fair arguments can be made the other way as well.

                          But when you see countless comments like "They're torturing Manning!" what picture do people actually get in their head?

                          Please proceed, Governor.

                          by USArmyParatrooper on Wed Jul 03, 2013 at 06:08:21 PM PDT

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                          •  Thank you. (1+ / 0-)
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                            But when you see countless comments like "They're torturing Manning!" what picture do people actually get in their head?
                            To read some of the hyperbolic comments here lately, you'd think Manning had battery cables hooked to his groin, or something --- and that Snowden should expect the same.
      •  MILITARY prison my friend....much much different (2+ / 0-)
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      •  Manning was 'seduced' by Wikileaks over time (1+ / 0-)
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        which is why Julian Assange should be in the dock.

      •  What voracious said wasn't true anyway. (1+ / 0-)
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        Of course he's allowed to write letters.

        Please proceed, Governor.

        by USArmyParatrooper on Wed Jul 03, 2013 at 01:36:42 PM PDT

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    •  someone in another diary said (4+ / 0-)

      he is allowed to write letters

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      by TrueBlueMajority on Wed Jul 03, 2013 at 10:21:22 AM PDT

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    •  That's a lie. (0+ / 0-)

      He can write letters.

      Please proceed, Governor.

      by USArmyParatrooper on Wed Jul 03, 2013 at 01:28:55 PM PDT

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    •  HR'd for untruthfulness. (2+ / 0-)
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      A Typical Day For PFC Bradley Manning at Fort Leavenworth
      PFC Manning was transferred to the Joint Regional Corrections Facility (JRCF) at Fort Leavenworth on April 20, 2011.  I was able to tour the facility and meet with PFC Manning last week.  PFC Manning is now being held in Medium Custody.  He is no longer under Prevention of Injury watch and is no longer subjected to harsh pretrial confinement conditions.

      Unlike at Quantico, PFC Manning cell has a large window that provides adequate natural light.  His cell also has a desk, a bed, and a toilet.  The cell is approximately 80 square feet.  He is provided with a normal mattress, sheets and a pillow.  None of his clothing is taken away from him at night.  PFC Manning is able to have all of his personal items in his cell, which include his clothing, his legal materials, books and letters from family and friends.  He is also able to have a pen and paper at all times in his cell, and is able to write whenever he chooses.

      PFC Manning is housed in a special area of the confinement facility, along with other pre-trial detainees. Each pre-trial area (including PFC Manning’s) has four cells, and each pre-trial detainee is assigned to his own cell.  The cells are connected to a shared common area, with a table, a treadmill, a television and a shower area.  Click here in order to see photos of the JRCF area.

      A typical timeline for PFC Manning’s day (and those of all other pre-trial detainees) follows:

      At 04:50, PFC Manning is given a wake-up call.  Over the next 10 minutes, he gets dressed, shaves, and begins to get ready for the day.

      At 05:00, the lights come on and the door to his cell opens to the common area.  PFC Manning finishes getting ready and joins the two other pre-trial detainees housed in his quarters in the common area.

      At 05:15, PFC Manning and all the other pre-trial detainees are escorted by one guard to the cafeteria. There are no restraints placed on any of the pre-trial detainees.  The cafeteria has multiple food selections, as well as a full compliment of coffee, juice, milk and soda.  PFC Manning eats his breakfast together with the 6 other pre-trial detainees currently at the JRCF.  He and the other pre-trial detainees in his quarters are then escorted back to the common area.

      From 06:00-11:00, PFC Manning is permitted to watch television, sit in the common area, talk to other detainees, use the treadmill, or use the shower.  At 11:00, the group is escorted back to the cafeteria for lunch.  After they finish lunch at 12:00, the group is brought back to the common area where they remain for the next couple hours.

      At 14:00, PFC Manning and his group are taken to the outdoor recreation area.  This area has several basketball courts, a quarter-mile running track, weight machines, and a handball court.

      After approximately two hours of outdoor recreation time, PFC Manning and his group return to the common area.  At 16:00, he along with the others, are taken down to the cafeteria for dinner.

      Immediately after dinner, PFC Manning is permitted to either go to the library or to the indoor recreation area (both of which are outside the common area of his cell quarters).  PFC Manning is allowed to remain there until approximately 18:30.  He then returns to the common area of his cell quarters, where is permitted to read, watch television, socialize with others, etc.

      At 22:00, PFC Manning goes into to his individual cell, and the doors to his cell are locked for the night.

      Weekends are considered “free time.”  Unlike weekdays, PFC Manning is allowed to sleep as much as he likes.  Movies are also provided to pre-trial detainees on weekends.

      The JRCF permits visitors on Monday-Friday from 19:00-21:30 and on weekends/holidays from 08:00-11:00 and from 13:00-16:00.  As with Quantico, only those who are on PFC Manning’s authorized list are permitted to see him.  Unlike Quantico, however, PFC Manning can receive mail from anyone.  Any mail sent to PFC Manning will be inspected prior to him receiving it.  He is permitted to keep up to 20 pieces of mail in his cell; the remaining mail must be either destroyed or be packaged and mailed to someone else.  Correspondence can be sent to PFC Manning at the following address:

      Bradley Manning 89289
      830 Sabalu Road
      Fort Leavenworth, KS 66027-2315

      Please proceed, Governor.

      by USArmyParatrooper on Wed Jul 03, 2013 at 02:34:00 PM PDT

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