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  •  Really? (0+ / 0-)

    Paying BART employees a fair wage should take a backseat to "smelly train seats" and escalator outages?

    Also, have to say it: you realize a broken escalator is still a fully usable set of stairs, right?

    •  Sounds like BART employees already receive a (0+ / 0-)

      fair wage, but live someplace where you can't get by on one.

      I know that I've turned away a few enquiries from potential employers because I cannot afford to live in San Francisco.

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      by dinotrac on Wed Jul 03, 2013 at 08:35:02 PM PDT

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      •  Wait, were those salaries not good enough? (0+ / 0-)

        There are plenty of opportunities to live in San Francisco and for cheaper.  Try Sunset, Richmond, Bernal Heights and Outer Mission.  Prices aren't too bad over there.

        But it ultimate depends on how high the salary is.

        •  Let's just say it's not cheap out where I live -- (0+ / 0-)

          which is west of Chicago, and, by all I can see, it's REALLY not cheap to live in the bay area.

          And...it looks like you get a bit screwed by progressive taxes, both state and federal.  Make more money because it's expensive to live, slide into new and higher tax brackets.

          As it is, we're moving away from Illinois and looking for a place where we can have nice quality of life without having to make a fortune.  The current economy has taught us the perils of depending on an income.

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          by dinotrac on Thu Jul 04, 2013 at 10:46:51 AM PDT

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          •  I've lived in San Francisco before (0+ / 0-)

            Statements that its expensive everywhere are a bit overblown, especially considering you can get good deals on shared rooms and go to other districts in San Francisco for deals.

            The areas where it's not cheap in San Francisco are predominately in SoMa, Nob Hill, Downtown SF, Mission Bay, North Beach, Russian Hill, Cow Hollow, Marina and Pacific Heights.  Elsewhere, the prices aren't as pricey.

            •  Shared rooms are not an option when you have a (0+ / 0-)

              family.

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              by dinotrac on Thu Jul 04, 2013 at 12:12:51 PM PDT

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              •  Then that's a different situation (0+ / 0-)

                In that aspect, it is definitely more competitive in your situation.

                Outer Sunset and Outer Richmond apartments are easier for pricing for families but it also depends on where you look.

                •  I'm thinking more like Oregon, but Idaho, Montana, (0+ / 0-)

                  New Mexico and some others are interesting as well.

                  For that matter, we've checked on some Florida rentals and are amazed to find rents much cheaper than rents here, and beaches within walking distance.

                  Nice -- and I believe that Florida has no state income tax.
                  That's 5 per-cent off the top right there.

                  When competition constrains your ability to earn, it's nice to keep costs down.

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                  by dinotrac on Thu Jul 04, 2013 at 12:46:26 PM PDT

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        •  Cheaper does not mean affordable. (0+ / 0-)

          A family of 4, let's assume that's a 2 BR or 3 BR apartment. Even way out in the avenues, you're probably looking at $2500-$3000/mo on average.

          Many working people have always chosen to live in the cheaper East Bay, but now Oakland is getting hit hard by a bunch of San Francisco defectors, and rents are going through the roof there as well.

    •  Actually they close them off (0+ / 0-)

      You can't use the broken escalators at all. (For the sake of clarity.)

    •  Did you even read my comment? (0+ / 0-)

      "First off, we need to hold BART accountable for the following other reasons as well":

      In fact, the open letters from the BART union workers argues that they were raising a whole host of issues with BART management, not just salaries:

      http://www.keepbartrunning.com/...

      We have tried for months to work with BART’s high-paid negotiators to address critical safety issues in the system.  Workers have died because of the current lighting situation, but BART refuses to address this issue at the bargaining table.  We want to open bathrooms in stations and keep them clean and safe, but BART won’t address that either.  We want to ensure that the system is fully staffed so we have the capacity to keep trains, tracks, and riders safe.
      When I say we need to hold BART accountable for the following reasons as well, I mean AS WELL, not only the other reasons.

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