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    you think this decades long practice is going to end?

    "It's almost as if we're watching Mitt Romney on Safari in his own country." -- Jonathan Capeheart

    by JackND on Wed Jul 03, 2013 at 12:06:49 PM PDT

    •  Not unless we stop it....n/t (3+ / 0-)
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      "When you're wounded and left on Afghanistan's plains, And the women come out to cut up what remains, Jest roll to your rifle and blow out your brains An' go to your Gawd like a soldier." Rudyard Kipling

      by EdMass on Wed Jul 03, 2013 at 12:08:27 PM PDT

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      •  do you... (1+ / 0-)
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        really think that all of these types of actions, many of which have been undertaken for decades, are going to cease, and they'll just let the consequences of their sudden cessation - the kinds of things that inspired their implementation in the first place - occur.

        This is "let's repeal the VRA because it worked" logic.

        "It's almost as if we're watching Mitt Romney on Safari in his own country." -- Jonathan Capeheart

        by JackND on Wed Jul 03, 2013 at 12:11:49 PM PDT

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        •  What an asinine remark (2+ / 0-)
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          If there's reasonable suspicion, you can get a fucking subpoena.  You don't need a photograph of the envelope if you have the fucking envelope.

          I want to see Snowden get a fair trial, an impartial jury, and the same sentence James Clapper gets for lying to Congress.

          by happymisanthropy on Wed Jul 03, 2013 at 12:25:11 PM PDT

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          •  why would they... (1+ / 0-)
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            need a subpoena if they have the envelope? When you mail something, you've entrusted the Postal Service with it.

            "It's almost as if we're watching Mitt Romney on Safari in his own country." -- Jonathan Capeheart

            by JackND on Wed Jul 03, 2013 at 12:28:20 PM PDT

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            •  Thank you for your (0+ / 0-)

              non-concern.

              I want to see Snowden get a fair trial, an impartial jury, and the same sentence James Clapper gets for lying to Congress.

              by happymisanthropy on Wed Jul 03, 2013 at 12:35:37 PM PDT

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              •  over a... (0+ / 0-)

                decades old program  I never knew about, and where even the guy who accidentally saw a postcard about himself was never arrested? Am I supposed to retroactively feel less free now?

                "It's almost as if we're watching Mitt Romney on Safari in his own country." -- Jonathan Capeheart

                by JackND on Wed Jul 03, 2013 at 12:43:26 PM PDT

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                •  Oh, well Bush did it (1+ / 0-)
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                  so it's OK?  

                  That's your best defense?

                  Even though you know that the government is spying on law-abiding environmental advocates and passing on intelligence summaries to the private companies they are organizing against?

                  Because you don't know of this particular program being abused, you aren't going to worry about how this particular program might be abused in ways parallel to how other programs are indeed being misused right now as we type?

                  I want to see Snowden get a fair trial, an impartial jury, and the same sentence James Clapper gets for lying to Congress.

                  by happymisanthropy on Wed Jul 03, 2013 at 12:54:18 PM PDT

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            •  Privacy (1+ / 0-)
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              There should be no presumption of privacy to something that is clearly visible to anyone who processes it. If I sent a postcard, as an example, I would assume it's public knowledge.

              •  The presumption of privacy (3+ / 0-)
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                is inherent to the ideas of liberty and freedom. Without privacy there is very little if any of either.

                How would mailing a postcard be public knowledge unless either the sender, receiver, or deliverer made it so? Why don't we just post daily records of everyone's mailings just to make sure everyone has fair access to this "public knowledge" you assume exists.

                The silver lining is now that citizens know about this photocopying program we should be given access to the USPS mailing records so we can determine if the cable company actually sent the bill on time or at all...

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