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  •  Starting a war is exactly what some want to see. (5+ / 0-)
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    I do not think we have evidence that Snowden wants war. I do think that there are elements that have attached themselves to him that would be very happy to see war and/or the U.S. suffer grave harm. There are various agendas from jihad to wanting a stateless planet, but they all include a massive amount of death of those who resist in order to reach their aim.

    What started out as an auspicious opportunity to talk about the NSA, the Patriot Act, FISA, and regulating personal information commodification has now all but disappeared into ideological pie fights and political grudges.

    Now that we are talking about Snowden in the same breath as MLK and the Founding Fathers, we have officially arrived in Absurdville and nothing good is going to come of this opportunity.

    The politicians may be bought, and the system corrupt, but it is our duty to fix these things.

    by sebastianguy99 on Wed Jul 03, 2013 at 02:11:30 PM PDT

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    •  I don't talk about Snowden (6+ / 0-)

      except to say that he as the messenger is irrelevant.   His motives are meaningless.

      The issues are much as you have stated, what are we going to do about how our government approaches security, intelligence gathering, and are there any Constitutional rights left to ordinary people.

      People matter less as voters everyday, the government seems to answer to the money grubbers, will starve people to preserve billion dollar profits for their masters, and we should get worried that some might think violence is an answer as the Founding Fathers did?  We were born by the sword, be it in taking native lands, fighting off the English, expanding over other territories ?  The question isn't about violence, that's already out there in American society, policing policies and international policies.  It is about who is doing the doing and who is getting did unto.

      •  The government did not just fall out of the sky. (0+ / 0-)

        Well we can't claim the message and methods of the Founding Fathers on one hand and then claim that messengers are irrelevant on the other hand. If people find the messenger relevant in this instance then that is how it is and should be dealt with honestly instead of delegitimizing their perceptions.

        While I agree with you that corruption seems to go unchecked, I believe we get the government we deserve. There are far too many people who love to embrace their rights as a citizen but then shirk their electoral responsibilities because they just cannot be bothered for one high-minded excuse or the other.

        There is one important group you left out of your recitation of history:those people who were willingly to fight for things even though they were not likely to live to see victory in their lifetimes.

        Those types are in short supply in these instant gratification-or-bust times.

        The politicians may be bought, and the system corrupt, but it is our duty to fix these things.

        by sebastianguy99 on Wed Jul 03, 2013 at 03:47:03 PM PDT

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