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  •  From what I have read (1+ / 0-)
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    people are much more upset about economic issues than religious issues. You seem intent on imposing the simplistic western media narrative on a complex situation of which you likely have no first hand experience.

    •  While I agree (2+ / 0-)
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      that the economic issues are probably the primary motivation, take a look at that list of the leaders of this takeover in my comment. Do you really think the Coptic Christian Pope signed on for strictly economic reasons? I suspect there are plenty of Egyptians who don't want a stricter Islamic government. They mostly want a government that works.

      At least part of the reason Morsi won in the first place was that the MB was way more organized, politically, than the rest of Mubarak's opposition. That does not necessarily reflect the breadth of their support, any more than the fact that the Republicans control the House reflects the breadth of their popular support.

      Another was that people were willing to put up with an Islamic government, on the terms Morsi originally promised,  if it delivered economically. That's not the same thing as actively preferring an Islamic government, as this week's events seem to demonstrate.

      "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself."........ "The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little." (yeah, same guy.)

      by sidnora on Wed Jul 03, 2013 at 02:20:47 PM PDT

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      •  The question, which I can't answer, (1+ / 0-)
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        is what do a majority of the people want. Certainly the Coptic Church and El Bardi don't want strong influence from the Muslim Brotherhood.

        Unfortunately the army has the only vote that counts.

        •  of course I wouldn't be happy (0+ / 0-)

          to see those other leaders get played by the army, and have this uprising be just a return to Mubarak-style autocracy. I recognize that there's a very good possibility of that happening.

           But part of any real democracy is protection of the rights of the minority from the hegemony of the majority. This government hasn't been doing very well at that. You can't blame people for wanting to feel their government isn't allowing, or even sanctioning, sectarian violence against them.

          "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself."........ "The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little." (yeah, same guy.)

          by sidnora on Wed Jul 03, 2013 at 05:24:10 PM PDT

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    •  The young secularists -- the core of the protest (3+ / 0-)

      movement -- don't really want a religious government.

      •  Clearly they did not. (2+ / 0-)
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        katiec, BradMajors

        However, they weren't able to mount a politically effective organization when it came time for the election.

        My view is that one would have to know a great deal more about Egypt than I do to fully understand all the forces that are in play.

        •  The young protesters wanted the elections put off (1+ / 0-)
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          longer so they could organize.

          Then Morsi promised they'd be represented.

          But they weren't.

          The road map put forward by the military is nearly word for word - at least in it's English translation - to that of the young people's roadmap.

          So, maybe that's a good sign.

          Also, there has thus far been  NO  police or military action against the young people.

          That's also a good sign.

          I don't expect utopia to arise, but hopefully the you protesters will get at least some representation.

          If not, I'm sure they'll be back out in the street.

    •  my information on this is NOT from western media (1+ / 0-)
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      Noisy Democrat

      who don't seem to want to report much at all.

      i've been reading Egyptian statements.

      aren't you being simplistic when you want to make this about one thing.  i never suggested it this was uncomplicated.  

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