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  •  These prosecutors have fumbled (6+ / 0-)

    this case in so many different ways. It has been painful to watch.

    "We forward in this generation, triumphantly."

    by Grizzard on Wed Jul 03, 2013 at 02:07:05 PM PDT

    •  Well don't hold back (7+ / 0-)

      Tell us where they fumbled. As far as I can see they did a pretty effective job presenting the evidence.

      •  I notice lots of people... (5+ / 0-)
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        saying the prosecution blew it, but when asked for specifics it's more or less "haven't you seen the trial?"

        This makes about as much sense as Mike Huckabee on mescaline. - Prodigal 2-6-2008

        by Tonedevil on Wed Jul 03, 2013 at 04:04:55 PM PDT

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        •  That's the question, (5+ / 0-)

          because they haven't seen it and are relying on the so-called analysts.  I thought the prosecution did a very good job given what they had to work with (more effective police work would have helped) and there is plenty of basis for a conviction.  One never knows what a jury will decide.  However, I do think, regardless, that those that were paying attention will know George Zimmerman was a murderer.

        •  Mainly when they brought in the 6 videos (1+ / 0-)
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          that tell George Zimmerman's story without him being subjected to cross examination. That was a fatal error, IMHO.
          Before they did that, he would have had to take the stand to try to prove self defense.

          "Southern nights have you ever felt a southern night?" Allen Toussaint ~~Remember the Gulf of Mexico~~

          by rubyr on Wed Jul 03, 2013 at 07:17:55 PM PDT

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          •  It was perfect (2+ / 0-)
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            They had no reason to believe he would get on the stand. It also saves the prosecutor from looking mean. If you think about the trial objectively, can you remember one moment that may have garnered sympathy for GZ?

            What I expect to have been very effective, was the interview with Serino and Singleton in which they played the nen call.

            In that nen call, Serino suggests to GZ that Trayvon probably was afraid of him, that is why he ran. That backs up exactly what Rachel has told on the stand. They thought GZ may have been a pervert.
            It is way more effective hearing the investigators say this to GZ long before they found out about Rachel's existence, than the prosecutor saying this.

            The video walk through was very effective too. You can't capture that moment when GZ claims he was knocked down with one punch, and then realizes he's got to move south about 40 ft, while questioning him on the stand.

            It is all GZ talking. The prosecutor is not inserting himself. Any emotion jurors may have about GZ being treated unfairly, are circumvented this way.

          •  What may force GZ on (3+ / 0-)
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            the stand, was Osterman's testimony. GZ was smart enough to omit certain details in his statements. Like how he got the gun. Which way Trayvon fell and how he got on top of him. That Trayvon got a hold of his gun.

            Because there are no details provided by GZ, the jury may insert Osterman's claims. The prosecution already showed, there are no fingerprints or DNA from Trayvon, found on the gun or on the holster.
            It is very easy to show that Osterman's detailed description of how GZ unholstered his gun, is very easy to disprove.

            That is why the defense was in disarray yesterday. They now have to show, why the DNA evidence doesn't match Osterman's claim of what GZ told him, while their client never put that in one of his sworn statements.

            I don't think GZ will go on the stand, because he probably will only make things worse. But on the other hand, the prosecution won't be at risk that any of the jurors will feel sorry for him.

            •  I hope that his not testifying turns out to (2+ / 0-)
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              be a positive. I am more concerned that he won't be cross examined and a lot of his lies will stand.

              "Southern nights have you ever felt a southern night?" Allen Toussaint ~~Remember the Gulf of Mexico~~

              by rubyr on Thu Jul 04, 2013 at 06:29:52 AM PDT

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              •  I don't think it will (1+ / 0-)
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                make much of a difference. The jurors have plenty of material. I they don't see it in the statements he made, they are not going to see it when he is cross examined.

                •  Well, they would see the lies he told if the (1+ / 0-)
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                  prosecutor called him out and asked him to specifically explain away all of his many, many inconsistencies and, well...lies.

                  Otherwise, they are going to think his statements stand as truth. I guess this will be somewhat mitigated by the State's closing, if it is strong.  

                  "Southern nights have you ever felt a southern night?" Allen Toussaint ~~Remember the Gulf of Mexico~~

                  by rubyr on Thu Jul 04, 2013 at 08:34:02 AM PDT

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                  •  I think the prosecution (2+ / 0-)
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                    will pull it together. We've been digging through this evidence for more than a year. There are people who think the problems with Casey Anthony trial, was that the prosecution overloaded the jurors with evidence.

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