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  •  'Poor' readers? (2+ / 0-)
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    Mnemosyne, Bionic

    Do you mean economically disadvantaged or insufficiently skilled?

    Either way, you are incorrect.

    Romance readers can be found at every economic level and every educational level. I know several doctoral candidates who write them, including Susan King and Jennifer Crusie. Believe me, they aren't 'dumbing down' for their readership.

    I do agree that the GOP seems to want it both ways (pardon the expression).

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    by wonderful world on Sat Jul 06, 2013 at 05:57:18 AM PDT

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    •  i mean insufficiently skilled readers (0+ / 0-)

      with small vocabularies.

      if doctoral candidates are writing romance novels at a grade 16+ reading/vocabulary level, I'd like to see them!

      most fiction of any kind these days is, if not dumbed down, not written at a very high level of intellectual stimulation.

      that's OK.  as you said, people at all levels of education need entertainment.

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      by TrueBlueMajority on Sat Jul 06, 2013 at 07:32:25 AM PDT

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      •  Grade 16? Probably not. (2+ / 0-)
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        But not grade 2 either.

        Please don't fall into the trap of thinking that women who read romance novels are necessarily less sophisticated or just plain stupid than those who read other kinds of fiction.

        These books may not be your cup of tea -- but that doesn't make them worthless.

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        by wonderful world on Sat Jul 06, 2013 at 07:49:42 AM PDT

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        •  grade 2? we were talking about grade 7. (0+ / 0-)

          and nowhere did I "fall into the trap of thinking that women who read romance novels are necessarily less sophisticated or just plain stupid."  you are reading a slight where none was stated or intended.

          all i said was that people at all levels of reading skill deserve to have novels and even erotic entertainment written at a level they can comprehend.  so if Miss Jaxine writes at a 7th grade level, and gets published, good for her.  she is filling a niche and giving that market what it asks for.

          that does not mean that all women who read romance novels are stupid.  just that some women, whether they read romance novels or not, read at a lower/higher comprehension level than others.

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          by TrueBlueMajority on Sat Jul 06, 2013 at 09:00:56 AM PDT

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      •  women I've encountered (3+ / 0-)

        who both read and write romance novels are also trained professionals and hold degrees such as RN, MD, PhD, EdD, MA, MBA, and probably others.

        They have, and use, vocabularies larger and more sophisticated than many male writers, and they do not write down to their audience. The background research in many romance books is impeccable and may open up whole new areas to readers who've never before known about the specifics of an event or profession.

        Before you trash an entire genre and insult its readership -- the misogynistic snickering in this diary was what prompted my original comment -- you might try reading some of the better examples.

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        by Mnemosyne on Sat Jul 06, 2013 at 07:59:57 AM PDT

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        •  again, i do not recall trashing the genre (0+ / 0-)

          or insulting its readership.  perhaps you can show me where I did.

          if you have recommendations of some of the writers who have larger and more sophisticated vocabularies, I'd like to see them.  As my previous comment actually said.  I'd like to see them!  so I await your recommendation of some of the better examples.

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          by TrueBlueMajority on Sat Jul 06, 2013 at 09:12:50 AM PDT

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          •  This is pretty insulting (4+ / 0-)
            i've never been published so I have a certain amount of respect for people who have been published, no matter how unsophisticated the writing is.  Poor readers have a right to enjoy romance novels and other books written at their reading level.
            Emphasis mine.

            You might want to wander over to Romance Writers of America. They have lots of stats on the education and income levels of their readers. You might find it illuminating.

            •  but that does not say or even imply (0+ / 0-)

              that ALL readers of romance novels are poor readers!

              Only that some are, and that they are a market that deserves to be served just like any other market.

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              by TrueBlueMajority on Sat Jul 06, 2013 at 09:35:33 AM PDT

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              •  Keep digging (4+ / 0-)

                Seriously, you wrote something in the context of someone commenting on the insulting tone directed at romance writers and readers. Mnemosyne offered that not only were many writers and readers of the the genre sophisticated, educated and clever writers but even this woman being vilified may offer the same.

                You've made it plain that the genre is not your cup of tea, but your critique of the same is based on general ignorance and stereotyping of it. That is what people are calling you on.

                And you might try looking up the phrase damning with faint praise. You're soaking in it.

                •  now i'm really lost (0+ / 0-)

                  we started out talking about a specific person's book that, judging by the cover, one excerpt and a few amazon reviews, does not seem to be written at a very sophisticated level.

                  i said, well at least she has been published, which is more than i can say for myself, and there is an audience for romance novels written at the level of people who don't read very well.

                  somehow this got turned into trashing the entire genre?  i still don't see how.

                  it is true that people who don't read academic writing for a living deserve to have magazines, newspapers, and erotic novels written at their reading level.  I'm not one of these publishing snobs who believes that every magazine has to be Foreign Affairs, every newspaper has to be the Financial Times, and every novel has to be The Brothers Karamazov.  I've read all the Harry Potter novels more than once and they are written at a middle school level.  Right now I'm reading a Stephen King novel that is also written at a middle school level.  High reading comprehension does not automatically mean better.  Referring to something as being understandable by poor readers is not an insult.  Besides, these days, most pleasure readers of romance novels and everything else are reading at a lower comprehension and vocabulary level than in the past.

                  LBNL, don't assume the genre is not my cup of tea.  I've read my share of romance novels over the years.  Always looking for suggestions.  Every once in a while a friend will tell me about one that is not written at the middle school level (or one that is written at the middle school reading level that is still interesting).

                  I can only speculate about why you and Mnemosyne and wonderful world jumped to the conclusion you jumped to.  If this is your thing and you are this touchy about assuming general slights where none are stated, that's about you, not me.

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                  by TrueBlueMajority on Sat Jul 06, 2013 at 10:29:45 AM PDT

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            •  and (0+ / 0-)

              I went to RWA.  Did not see anything there about the education levels of readers, or authors.

              Income level has no bearing on reading comprehension.

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              by TrueBlueMajority on Sat Jul 06, 2013 at 09:40:52 AM PDT

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