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  •  Maybe you should tell that to Ed Snowden and (5+ / 0-)
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    ...all the people now in his orbit. We've got everyone from Assange to presidents of little countries interjecting themselves into a U.S. criminal matter.

    Or perhaps you should tell it to the group sponsoring the multiple diaries on the rec list every day.

    This is a wasted opportunity and now we just have ideological preening going on by various actors. What was serious is now political entertainment for the mainstream who have moved on now with their lives.

    The politicians may be bought, and the system corrupt, but it is our duty to fix these things.

    by sebastianguy99 on Wed Jul 03, 2013 at 05:29:58 PM PDT

    •  Huh? (2+ / 0-)
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      We've got everyone from Assange to presidents of little countries

      About Assange, I believe he would have preferred not to be a captive needing safe harbor in an Ecuadorian embassy and not be invoked into a similar persecution trajectory that Snowden is facing.  It really wasn't his doing.  It really wasn't his doing that he was brought into the Snowden conversation.

      About the Prez of that "little country,"
      nd I assume you mean the President of Ecuador, I believe he would have preferred not to be a captive of the U.S. when his plane was seeking gasoline for the mere fact that he expressed sympathy to Snowden's predicament. He is after all a person who can speak his beliefs.  It really wasn't his doing that he was brought into the Snowden conversation.

      Separation of Church and State AND Corporation

      by Einsteinia on Wed Jul 03, 2013 at 06:05:26 PM PDT

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      •  Bolivia, not Ecuador (2+ / 0-)
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        The President of Ecuador also put in his two centavos - but as I recall he was at home in Ecuador when he did so.

        If it's
        Not your body,
        Then it's
        Not your choice
        And it's
        None of your damn business!

        by TheOtherMaven on Wed Jul 03, 2013 at 06:21:48 PM PDT

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      •  wait...are... (1+ / 0-)
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        sebastianguy99

        you really claiming that Assange is detached from this, when WikiLeaks is doing Snowden's PR and bankrolling his voyage of the damned, and one of their lawyers is Snowden's travelling companion?

        "It's almost as if we're watching Mitt Romney on Safari in his own country." -- Jonathan Capeheart

        by JackND on Wed Jul 03, 2013 at 08:11:45 PM PDT

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        •  Voyage of the damned? (1+ / 0-)
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          Are you suggesting that Assange is more than a journalist here?  Or WikiLeaks is more than a media organization?

          Are suggesting that a news organization supplying legal representation for one of thier sources is suspicious behavior?

          What exactly are you implying?

      •  Hero or traitor, Snowden is a U.S. fugative. (1+ / 0-)
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        This is a domestic matter and other countries should not be in the business of trying to aide and abet a citizen wanted on multiple felony charges just because his charges fit into their ideological narrative.

        If a fugitive from their country came here to avoid capture I would hope we would return him and I expect the same of them.

        President Morales put himself in the middle of this so I don't feel sorry or ashamed. Other countries had the good sense to do that but this guy saw a political opportunity to grandstand and now he has had his wish to get in on the action granted, just not in the way he would have liked.

        I saw him smiling and answering questions. He's ok and is eating this up. He knows if you put your finger in a hornet's nest you best be prepared to get stung.

        The politicians may be bought, and the system corrupt, but it is our duty to fix these things.

        by sebastianguy99 on Wed Jul 03, 2013 at 08:32:49 PM PDT

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        •  You actually believe America hasn't offered asylum (5+ / 0-)

          To fugitives from other countries?

          Seriously?  That's just plain ignorance right there.

          •  Yes, apparently we love rubbing others' (2+ / 0-)
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            noses in this kind of garbage, but when the shoe is on the other foot, we go nuclear.  

            Why not WE be the change WE want?

            And if the 1% say no, just realize it's a Ponzi scheme that is not sustainable for the long haul.

            Let's be right by doing right?  That would be the best security measure this country could ever dream of!

            Separation of Church and State AND Corporation

            by Einsteinia on Wed Jul 03, 2013 at 10:18:08 PM PDT

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          •  I honestly believe that Ed Snowden is a fugitive (0+ / 0-)

            That was the freaking topic not whether or not the U.S. has offered asylum to other countries.

            Snowden is a fugitive, he should be returned and others should stay out of our domestic affairs. Period.

            And I will not bow to your privilege or thought-policing. You ascribe me ignorant just because I dared to voice an opinion you do not like. Your intolerance is no better than those those of others who have sought to punish and eliminate dissent throughout history. The heck with you. We will not STFU.

            The politicians may be bought, and the system corrupt, but it is our duty to fix these things.

            by sebastianguy99 on Wed Jul 03, 2013 at 10:31:51 PM PDT

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            •  Thought policing? That's an interesting (1+ / 0-)
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              Accusation.  I've heard those words before.  But In George Orwell's dystopian society the thought police maintained control by maintaining ignorance not pointing it out.

              You ascribe me as a totalitarian by pointing out your totalitarian world view.

              You label me intolerant of your opinion while telling the rest of the world to mind their own business.

              You think I'm trying to suppress your opinion while you try to suppress the opinion of the rest of the world.

              Ignorant and arrogant.

              •  You need to sit in judgement, I do not. (0+ / 0-)

                Get over yourself you aren't superior. And your inability to make an argument without resorting to sophomoric insults is really sad.

                Shame on me for trying to have a honest discussion with someone who thinks self-righteousness=intellect. Please.

                I know your ego requires the last word so have it. I've got better things to do than waste my time with the lost.

                The politicians may be bought, and the system corrupt, but it is our duty to fix these things.

                by sebastianguy99 on Thu Jul 04, 2013 at 01:25:55 AM PDT

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      •  I forgot the quote marks for (0+ / 0-)
        "We've got everyone from Assange to presidents of little countries"
        I was merely responding to what I thought was a crazy premise.

        Separation of Church and State AND Corporation

        by Einsteinia on Wed Jul 03, 2013 at 10:14:57 PM PDT

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      •  Poor Assange. (0+ / 0-)
        not be invoked into a similar persecution trajectory
        Poor baby - all of those big meanies trying to make him have accountability for rape like a normal human being.  Don't they know he's important?  Also..  hey look over there, America!
        •  Just curious, what is your opinion of (0+ / 0-)

          Daniel Ellsberg?

          Was his writing the Pentagon Papers also a crime tantamount to be a rapist?

          Maybe you are unaware that in the United States, there is a long tradition of civil disobedience when the Constitution is at risk.  This is how we got so many of our rights that we now take for granted.  

          Separation of Church and State AND Corporation

          by Einsteinia on Thu Jul 04, 2013 at 09:41:24 AM PDT

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