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  •  It never occurred to me... (10+ / 0-)

    that fights need permission from every country they cross. You'd think that would be very cumbersome in flying over Europe, and especially with the EU there would be some sort of one agreement for the whole.

    Latin American countries may be universally pissed about what happened. (If it ever happened to Air Force 1, it would be an act of war, no doubt). I was in Central America when the Falklands/Malvinas chest-thumping contest went on, and many people seemed personally offended.

    This Rover crossed over.. Willie Nelson, written by Dorothy Fields

    by Karl Rover on Wed Jul 03, 2013 at 06:40:17 PM PDT

    •  I don't know what the normal procedure (8+ / 0-)

      but I would be inclined to doubt it. They would have filed a flight plan before leaving Moscow.

    •  Yes it is needed . (5+ / 0-)
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      (If it ever happened to Air Force 1, it would be an act of war, no doubt)
      Nope , it is not an act of war . A country saying no to an Air Force 1 overflight is not an act of war . Cuba has shut its airspace to American flights for a very long time .

      http://www.uabmedicine.org/...

      February 10, 2010
      CCT Jet Is First US Aircraft Over Cuba in 50 Years

      UAB Synopsis, Vol. 29, No. 06, February 10, 2010

      On a January 13 flight to carry a survivor of the earthquake in Haiti to a Miami hospital, UAB Hospital’s Critical Care Transport (CCT) jet became the first US aircraft in several decades to make an official flight through Cuban airspace.

      After the earthquake occurred on January 12, US officials made requests of Cuba to allow implementation of a special medical evacuation route over its airspace, although the two countries are still at odds over the US trade embargo and other actions put into place years ago to protest Cuba’s human rights and political record.

      The base commander at Guantanamo Bay sought a waiver from a Cuban military officer with whom he has regular meetings across the minefield that separates the 45-square-mile base from Cuba proper. The flight route had been negotiated over many years by the US military to expedite medical aircraft flights out of Guantanamo Bay in disaster situations. US diplomats also contacted the Cuban foreign ministry to discuss "this important humanitarian cooperation.''

      The standard you walk past is the standard you accept. David Morrison

      by indycam on Wed Jul 03, 2013 at 06:57:04 PM PDT

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      •  Is Air Florida an "American flight"? (4+ / 0-)
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        I flew directly over Cuba on a flight from Miami to Honduras in 1981. Which seems to be within the last 50 years.

        There may be some differences in scheduled commercial flights and Govt flights. Especially US military planes, which seems to be what your quote refers to.

        But if some country dicked around Air Force 1 at the last minute like what just happened, there would be hell to pay.

        This Rover crossed over.. Willie Nelson, written by Dorothy Fields

        by Karl Rover on Wed Jul 03, 2013 at 07:08:26 PM PDT

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        •  I'm not so sure . (2+ / 0-)
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          Quicklund, Miggles
          But if some country dicked around Air Force 1 at the last minute like what just happened, there would be hell to pay.
          and I really doubt "act of war".

          http://www.eturbonews.com/...

          Spirit Airlines fined for paying to fly over Cuba

          By Miami Herald | Jun 30, 2008

          Miramar-based Spirit Airlines has been fined $100,000 for paying the Cuban government for permission to use the island's airspace, constituting a violation of the long-standing US embargo against the island.

          According to a report by the Office of Foreign Asset Control of the Treasury Department, Spirit Airlines made several money transfers to Cuban government accounts from September 2004 to March 2007 without a valid license for such activity.

          The fine imposed on the airline, which has its main hub at Fort Lauderdale-Hollywood International Airport, is the largest such penalty imposed by the agency during the fiscal year that began last October.

          The standard you walk past is the standard you accept. David Morrison

          by indycam on Wed Jul 03, 2013 at 07:33:49 PM PDT

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          •  what's your obsession with Cuba? (2+ / 0-)
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            3goldens, newpioneer

            it was France, and they apologized, which means what they did was wrong.

            This Rover crossed over.. Willie Nelson, written by Dorothy Fields

            by Karl Rover on Wed Jul 03, 2013 at 07:40:34 PM PDT

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            •  My "obsession" ? What an interesting question . (0+ / 0-)
              and they apologized, which means what they did was wrong.
              Sure Sure . We are sorry for the inconvenience .  

              The standard you walk past is the standard you accept. David Morrison

              by indycam on Wed Jul 03, 2013 at 07:49:56 PM PDT

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            •  Its funny that you make a comment about Cuba , (1+ / 0-)
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              Miggles

              I respond about your comment ,
              and then you claim "obsession" .
              If you have a problem with me talking about Cuba ,

              Is Air Florida an "American flight"? (2+ / 0-)

              I flew directly over Cuba on a flight from Miami to Honduras in 1981. Which seems to be within the last 50 years.

              There may be some differences in scheduled commercial flights and Govt flights. Especially US military planes, which seems to be what your quote refers to.

              But if some country dicked around Air Force 1 at the last minute like what just happened, there would be hell to pay.

              This Rover crossed over.. Willie Nelson, written by Dorothy Fields

              by Karl Rover on Wed Jul 03, 2013 at 07:08:26 PM PDT

              Maybe you should not mention Cuba and then ask me about the same .

              The standard you walk past is the standard you accept. David Morrison

              by indycam on Wed Jul 03, 2013 at 08:04:12 PM PDT

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              •  jezuss (0+ / 0-)

                dude, the comments are right there. I never 'mentioned" Cuba. You did. I responded, which I regret, because I know better, and you came up with something and now, I'm ending it. Go ahead, have the last word.

                This Rover crossed over.. Willie Nelson, written by Dorothy Fields

                by Karl Rover on Wed Jul 03, 2013 at 08:30:32 PM PDT

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        •  ... (0+ / 0-)

          http://www.nytimes.com/...

          U.S. SAYS CUBANS KNEW THEY FIRED ON CIVILIAN PLANES
          By BARBARA CROSSETTE
          Published: February 28, 1996

          The Clinton Administration made public today a transcript of aerial radio conversations that American diplomats say proves Cuban military pilots knew they had targeted a small civilian plane and screamed with glee when they made a direct hit.

          "The target is in sight, the target is in sight," the pilot of one MIG-29 told a nearby MIG-23, as the fighters closed in on the aircraft piloted by a members of an anti-Castro Cuban-American group, Brothers to the Rescue. "It's a small aircraft."

          Copied," the ground controller answered. "A small plane in sight."


          Cuba has been very protective of their airspace for a long time .

          The standard you walk past is the standard you accept. David Morrison

          by indycam on Wed Jul 03, 2013 at 08:13:17 PM PDT

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      •  But we did perpetrate and act of war against (1+ / 0-)
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        corvo

        Castro and botched it about as badly as this incident.

      •  Perhaps you haven't noticed, but we have been (0+ / 0-)

        at war with Cuba for 50 years.

        Oh, yes ... it's a very low-intensity, controlled-burn war. But make no mistake: It's war.

        To put the torture behind us is, inevitably, to put it in front of us.

        by UntimelyRippd on Wed Jul 03, 2013 at 08:52:30 PM PDT

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      •  Right back on the NSA bandwagon, eh? (0+ / 0-)

        Tripe.

        "Mitt who? That's an odd name. Like an oven mitt, you mean? Oh, yeah, I've got one of those. Used it at the Atlas Society BBQ last summer when I was flipping ribs."

        by Richard Cranium on Wed Jul 03, 2013 at 09:20:38 PM PDT

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