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  •  We don't track every call made here (4+ / 0-)

    in America (despite the exaggerations of some), and the EU countries spy agencies do all the things ours do. Anyone who thinks that there is a big difference in terms of the actual practices of the West's clandestine services is foolish.

    •  it did occur to me why cloud computing (0+ / 0-)

      is so far ahead here in the Colonies.

      The amount of data storage that the NSA does on a daily basis, plus the need for indexing, search capability, and and getting fast results, means that our suppliers have sold billions of dollars of technology to the NSA. Therefore, the price of manufacturing has dropped significantly, and the cost of building a Cloud warehouse is pennies compared to several years ago. (but still expensive)

      Solid state drives, super high capacity drives, super fast searches, and data going back years? The mind boggles at how huge the data files can be.

      Even if we do not track every call, (something that the Verizon leaks suggests), that is still a hell of a lot of data.

      What we call god is merely a living creature with superior technology & understanding. If their fragile egos demand prayer, they lose that superiority.

      by agnostic on Thu Jul 04, 2013 at 02:37:50 PM PDT

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      •  Yawn. I don't care if there is an (0+ / 0-)

        electronic record of every call on some server somewhere. It is not the case that the actual call itself is being recorded, and it is not the case that a human being actually even sees who it is i talk to (unless they have a reason to dig through the data to figure it out). There is so much in this world to be worried about, from the climate to poverty to lack of health care to conditions in the Third World to the treatment of animals to a thousand other things that rank higher in my mind than the fact that there is some record kept electronically of my phone logs. I could give a shit, actually.

        •  we differ, then. (1+ / 0-)
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          Putting tiny pieces of data together can lead to a surprising amount of indications about behavior, etc. I do NOT want Big Uncle Brother Sam having that capacity  - about me.

          What we call god is merely a living creature with superior technology & understanding. If their fragile egos demand prayer, they lose that superiority.

          by agnostic on Thu Jul 04, 2013 at 02:58:53 PM PDT

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          •  But you are not ever going to (0+ / 0-)

            be on a call with a terrorist, so there is almost no chance any government employee will have the time or inclination to look into your behavior. On the other hand, the fact that they can piece together the behavior of people who actually do wish to participate in violent actions against us is a good thing, as we all would like to live in peace. I'm one of the vast majority of Americans who are happy that we have dedicated people focused on keeping us safe (without starting wars) and proud that our covert services are smart enough to be able to do what they are "accused" of doing. Face it, the NSA is pretty kick-ass in terms of their technological abilities.

            •  why on earth would they be compelled to (2+ / 0-)
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              limit their review of data to one simple contact with a terrorist?

              There are countless examples of how giving some authority an inch ends up becoming a mile wide. If they have that data, nothing stops them from using it at some point at time.

              Even worse, MISUSING it. You do know that the right of a cop to lie to you  is constitutionally protected? So sayeth the Supreme Robes. But, if you lie to an officer conducting an investigation, you risk criminal penalties. It is not a far stretch to see how this type of data can be misused for a variety of reasons.

              What we call god is merely a living creature with superior technology & understanding. If their fragile egos demand prayer, they lose that superiority.

              by agnostic on Thu Jul 04, 2013 at 03:11:36 PM PDT

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              •  Some of us understand that there (0+ / 0-)

                really are people on this planet who would kill innocent Americans if we do not stop them first. There are people who would detonate a nuclear weapon in a populated US city if they had the ability to do so. Our intelligence services must be vigilant against this very real threat. Some people here have openly stated that there is no threat and that no amount of security is justifiable (since, after all, there is no threat). I'm sure you can come up with theoretically constructs where the "government" misuses data on my electronic communications. But I'll take that theoretical risk any day if it helps diminish the actual, real-world risk of violence.

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