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  •  Yes, that definition is great. (2+ / 0-)
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    A coup d'état (ˌkuːdeɪˈtɑː; plural: coups d'état), also known as a coup, a putsch, or an overthrow, is the sudden deposition of a government,[1][2][3][4] usually by a small group of the existing state establishment—typically the military—to depose the extant government and replace it with another body, civil or military
    The overthrow was by the military, not by the people. Some people were protesting, yes, but were bystanders to the overthrow process. Obviously other people were rallying in favor of Morsi, in smaller numbers in Cairo as befits a rural-based base.

    The military acted like this quite suddenly, with only a few days of "warning".

    It was an illegal action by the military to depose a democratically-elected (if unpleasant) president with a few days notice so that the military could install their own leader and control the governance process. They have arrested leaders of the opposition, and begun killing protestors. It's a military coup, absolutely, in the "classic" sense. It's just a popular one among a certain segment of Egyptian political society.

    it fitfully blows, half conceals, half discloses

    by Addison on Fri Jul 05, 2013 at 08:45:16 AM PDT

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    •  Let's talk of that warning (0+ / 0-)

      Never heard of an advertised coup before. Hmm...

      the negative connotations of teh word trivialize the  democratic nature of the Egyptian story. Use of the word is, at best, lazy.

      So why insist on using it? Why insist?

      •  asdf (0+ / 0-)

        Just because a word is bad, doesn't mean that something you feel is good can't be that bad thing, too. I like tigers. Tigers are vicious sometimes. I'm not going to pretend that tigers are cuddly just to protect them from having a bad adjective applied. You like this coup, that's fine, but just because you think it's good doesn't mean that all "bad" descriptions of it are barred or logically impossible. It means the consequences and causes of the coup are complex.

        Never heard of an advertised coup before. Hmm...
        That has little to do with anything. Surprise is hardly the core feature of a coup.
        the negative connotations of teh word trivialize the  democratic nature of the Egyptian story. Use of the word is, at best, lazy.
        You keep saying the word "lazy" without anything to support that adjective. It's not lazy, calling it lazy is "lazy" since it's just a negative word you're throwing out without any purpose. It was a coup by definition. Calling it that isn't any more lazy than calling a duck a duck.
        So why insist on using it? Why insist?
        Because that's what the word means, and we're talking about the event. It's not a matter of "insisting". "Weasel" has a negative connotation but I'm not going to be pressured into calling a coup something else, just because a handful of people gone into propagandic wordplay mode about it.

        it fitfully blows, half conceals, half discloses

        by Addison on Fri Jul 05, 2013 at 03:26:17 PM PDT

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    •  "some people were protesting......" (0+ / 0-)

      The largest protest in the history of the world, 20% of the entire population of the country.
      If that doesn't satisfy the popular overthrow of a increasingly dictatorial regime....

      These capitalists generally act harmoniously and in concert to fleece the people, and now that they have got into a quarrel with themselves, we are called upon to appropriate the people's money to settle the quarrel. Abraham Lincoln

      by Nailbanger on Fri Jul 05, 2013 at 10:14:30 AM PDT

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