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  •  sorry, but corporations now major part (50+ / 0-)

    of the equation, in a way they were not at the time of the Church commission

    it in part has been something deliberate -  it is a means of avoiding transparency, it was a way of getting around the ban on TIA, and it creates an environment where since profits are huge and the opportunity for high paying private sector jobs post government employment  it distorts decisions made while in government.

    "We didn't set out to save the world; we set out to wonder how other people are doing and to reflect on how our actions affect other people's hearts." - Pema Chodron

    by teacherken on Fri Jul 05, 2013 at 05:25:07 AM PDT

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    •  Ken, consider this from the perspective (5+ / 0-)

      of the much LARGER corporations that stand to be impacted negatively from this NSA bullshit.  Like Microsoft.  Huge.  Like Google.  Like Verizon.  Like all the businesses in this corporation that suckle off the trusted presence of the Internet backbone in the USA.  We all talk about the individual rights, and God knows, I worry about that as a highest priority...

      But from a business perspective, this has been a suicidal mistake.  As a country, we are poisoning our own biggest business and industrial product.  The other businesses of the world can't rely on the security of their communications.  Not just businesses, but other countries as well.  You can be certain that even our strongest allies are considering ways to protect their communications from the prying eyes of the NSA, viewing the Internet as poison.

      Even our own Navy doesn't trust the NSA to keep any secrets gleaned through their programs, developing their own separate Internet and 4g products.  Even the NSA doesn't trust the Internet for their communications.

      So from a big corporation ruling the world perspective, this is one big clusterfuck.

      •  Some European politician (sorry, can't remember (5+ / 0-)

        who), yesterday, ordered all the orgs under her to cease and desist using cloud data storage and cloud applications offered by US companies.

        You are spot on that after RIM there hasn't been sufficient innovation in secure enterprise level communications. When employees are using tools made by some developer, who could be anywhere, without internal IT vetting those apps you fall directly to what we have today.

        No business' confidential data is secure.

        "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

        by LilithGardener on Fri Jul 05, 2013 at 11:24:47 AM PDT

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        •  Well, then there's a marketing niche available (1+ / 0-)
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          for some company in some other country to fill, I guess, providing secure communications outside the normal US-based Internet backbone.

          I think the best analogy I can think of for this... Imagine if the NSA went to McDonald's and said, we want to secretly put radioactive GPS locators in all your hamburgers.

          The guys making the GPS devices might be happy with this deal, but think about McDonald's long-term best interests for a moment.  When people find out, how many customers are they going to lose to some other franchise?  "Well, everybody HAS to eat McDonald's, so haha."  No, they don't have to.  Especially in other countries.

      •  European firms 'could quit US internet providers' (0+ / 0-)

        is a headline in The Guardian. They quote Neelie Kroes, European commissioner for digital matters, who said: 'If I were an American cloud provider, I would be quite frustrated with my government right now.'

        This scandal almost derailed US-European trade talks. Instead there will be parallel talks, one on the NSA and one on trade. This spying is threatening trade and friendly relations with our closest allies. It is a much bigger story than just the paranoia inflicted upon individual Americans.

        Conservation is green energy

        by peggy on Sat Jul 06, 2013 at 12:17:19 AM PDT

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      •  This is why I love DailyKos (0+ / 0-)

        A very thoughtful and well-written diary followed by comments that make me think of the issues a different way.

        Thanks guys!

    •  corporations were already part of it (0+ / 0-)

      back then

      eisenhower warned against the military industrial complex 15 years before the church committee - not admitting to himself that he was a part of it. at least he knew it was wrong.

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