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  •  I moved past this whole part of the discussion... (15+ / 0-)

    I am at the point where I want to know what 'value' do we get for this program (Legal or not good intended or not) and how much does it cost us annually?

    I am pretty sure this type of mass data collecting yields very little of value in national security terms but costs a whole lot of money.

    When we are cutting programs like food stamps one has to ask if building a giant internal spying network that will likely save less lives annually than swimming pool drownings, could not these funds be put to better use?

    The greatest shortcoming of the human race is our inability to understand the exponential function [Albert A. Bartlett]

    by fToRrEeEsSt on Fri Jul 05, 2013 at 07:49:11 AM PDT

      •  The TSA is almost worse in its degradation... (4+ / 0-)

        of self respect making everyone feel a little less human.

        Its reasonable caution pumped up on steroids and with a crack addiction.

        Sadly i believe the over the top safety measure are designed to be this way. Its more psychological warfare than safety measures.

        The greatest shortcoming of the human race is our inability to understand the exponential function [Albert A. Bartlett]

        by fToRrEeEsSt on Fri Jul 05, 2013 at 01:20:47 PM PDT

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        •  i agree (1+ / 0-)
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          And when the abuses started stacking up, I wish people would have stood against them.
          I did.
          I refuse to fly since I got singled out because my shirt had metal buttons.
          People stand mute when they see abuses on the disabled, elderly and kids.
          Seriously?  
          A small kid is a security risk?  
          What kind of trauma does that cause?  

          Gitmo is a Concentration Camp. Not a Detention Center. Torture happens at Concentration Camps. Torture happens at Gitmo. How much further will US values fall? Where is YOUR outrage at what the United States does in OUR names?

          by snoopydawg on Fri Jul 05, 2013 at 11:17:46 PM PDT

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    •  Regarding value: (2+ / 0-)
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      fToRrEeEsSt wrote:

      I am at the point where I want to know what 'value' do we get for this program (Legal or not good intended or not) and how much does it cost us annually?

      I am pretty sure this type of mass data collecting yields very little of value in national security terms but costs a whole lot of money.

      We, the American people, do not get shit out of the NSA's massive spying apparatus.  And, as the current cliche goes, that's not a bug, it's a feature.  The program is aimed at us, to keep us in line.  Saying that it "saves lives" is just a lie used to justify it to the public.  

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