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    Affirmative action isn't just about race. The majority of people affirmative action has helped since it began have been white women.

    Second, institutional racist crap didn't just stop 100 years ago. For crying out loud, segregation in schools wasn't even declared unconstitutional until the 1950s, and most states ignored that ruling for decades after. A lot of institutional racism (and even segregation) still exists today because it deliberately does not effect most white people, which is why people like you keep making comments about how all that stuff happened a long time ago.

    Third, while a lot of white people want to complain about how people of color are being helped by affirmative action (while ignoring the fact that most of the people who have been helped have actually been white), neither you nor anyone else who wants to get rid of or reframe what affirmative action is wants to get rid of legacy slots, which has been incredibly important in maintaining the power structure among white people.

    Fourth, most universities I know actually take into consideration obstacles children of immigrants of any race or ethnicity face.

    Fifth, my mom's family came to the United States after World War I and lived in an area in which few black people actually migrated to. And you know what? She still gained a ton of advantages purely because of her color. The reason why so few black people lived where my mom's family lived is because the white immigrants there deliberately kept them out. And a lot of children of white immigrants today are still receiving education advantages due to redlining and other institutional policies which have been designed to detrimentally effect people of color.

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    by moviemeister76 on Fri Jul 05, 2013 at 12:44:06 PM PDT

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    •  Point-by-point (0+ / 0-)

      1) Women face current discrimination, so most of their programs would be unchanged.

      2) When we find instances or ongoing racism, we should continue AA. When we find instances of recent (but past) racism we should issue one-time payoffs. If the racists are still around, they should be pursued for damages or even jail.

      3) People of color are not really being helped by AA. Not a lot. AA is very rare. For all practical purposes, a woman or Black gets help from AA only twice: Once when applying to college and again if they want to be a fireman or police officer. The so-called benefits of AA are largely mythical (which is why cutting them won't make a big difference).

      4) True. Which is why my proposal to limit AA to current circumstances won't change much.

      5) I agree, those residual advantages are still there. But how can we craft a policy that punishes your mom, who actually got those advantages, without punishing a recent Russian or Korean immigrant?

      Basically, the political damage we suffer from AA is not worth the miniscule benefit it offers minorities. We can get the same thing done with other policies that don't arouse such hate among Whites.

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