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  •  Two comments from the Guardian (6+ / 0-)

    about Sweden, by XuscitizenSweden:

    Sweden's foreign minister Carl Bildt is an old friend of Karl Rove.
    Remember Karl Rove the us republican spindoctor?
    They were student activists and have kept contact thru the years. This was revealed a few months ago when Bildt gave misleading info about his close contacts with Americans since the 70's.
    Bildts right-wing party gave us here in Sweden the FRA the same spying powers as the NSA, GCHQ,etc. More or less a direct order from the Bush Adm. followed as 'ordered'.
    This man Bildt has made the Swedish foreign policy a 'one-man-show'. And the guy gets away with it!
    Bildt is the USA's man in Sweden since the 70's. Truly.
    This explains the Swedish answer.
    Sorry World, Swedes have it too good they don't even bother to worry about 'daily decisions' in foreign policy.
    and by BreeZee
    Here's an interesting little historical tale, of how the Swedish government sneaked through its own incredibly intrusive FRA surveillance laws without proper parliamentary scrutiny. And when I say incredibly intrusive I'm talking the worst in Europe, and all fed straight to the US due to the whole of Russia's internet traffic feeding out to the rest of the world via Sweden.

    http://rixstep.com/...

    I'm in agreement with the rest of the commenters here who say this just goes to show that people's idea of Sweden having a fair and open justice system that Assange is hiding from out of guilt could not be more wrong. People just don't know what's been going on in that case, if they did they'd be shocked. Example: new documents from the case have just been translated into English. Take a look, then tell me it's not a stitch-up:

    http://assangeinswedenbook.com/...

    I don't know how reliable these comments are, as I don't know to much about Sweden.

    Read the European view at the European Tribune

    by fran1 on Fri Jul 05, 2013 at 02:12:38 PM PDT

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    •  They're not. (3+ / 0-)
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      vcmvo2, koNko, gramofsam1

      Rove once had lunch with Bildt.  That's the only time they ever met in person.  Bildt is, BTW, the former prime minister who refused to send Edward Lee Howard to the US (look him up).  It's illegal to extradite from Sweden for intelligence charges, no matter how grave (and Howard's were pretty grave, he was pretty much accused of undermining the whole US spy op in the USSR).

      Rixstep is a reference?  Wow to that.  Have any clue who Rick Downes is?  You know the term MRA / Men's RIghts Activist?  Well, I'll just put it this way: there's not many people out there who support the widely-decried findings of a Swedish committee in the 1970s that recommended decriminalizing rape (describing it as overblown), pedophilia (describing it as beneficial for children), and incest (describing it as harmless) in most circumstances, and having there be greatly reduced penalties in others.  Rick Downes is one of them.  And it really shows in his treatment of the rape case.  He also has a nasty habit for simply outright making stuff up - I can show you cases if you'd like.

      Yeah, Sweden is such a US lapdog  That's why, according to Wikileaks, they secretly had their special forces disguise themselves as airport workers to seize a CIA jet to stop the US extradition program from going through their airspace, right?  Those wiley bastards!

      Sweden has the #1 ranked criminal justice system in the world according to the peer-reviewed World Justice Project in terms of fundamental rights of the accused.

      As for the last link: they did run the aforementioned second test.  It did come back positive for mtDNA.  And Assange himself is aware of this fact - note that in his annotated transcript of We Steal Secrets he writes that they didn't find any "nuclear DNA"  The only reason one would specify nuclear is if they knew mitochondrial DNA was found.

      The part at the top is NOT from the police report, and just an Assange fan's misrepresentation of the case.  Of particular note, it's flat out false that nuclear DNA is always present in DNA tests after sex.  As the medical examiner himself goes through great efforts to explain, there are tons of reasons why nuclear DNA can fail to be found on a test (he lists several).  Mitochondrial DNA is much easier to isolate, as for every sperm's nucleius there are 1000 mitochondria.  And also contrary to the Assange-O-Sphere echo chamber, you absolutely CAN convict on mtDNA.  mtDNA doesn't give as guaranteed of an ID as nuclear DNA, but it still can provide overwhelmingly strong condemning evidence that an individual or someone in their immediate family committed a crime.

      Lastly, condoms are merely tangential to the most serious charge Assange faces (rape), for F*ing a sleeping girl to work around her repeated refusals.

      •  It may be illegal but what exactly would the (0+ / 0-)

        penalty be for someone to "extradite" him by sticking him on a US bound plane anyway and who exactly would enforce those penalties?

        You have watched Faux News, now lose 2d10 SAN.

        by Throw The Bums Out on Sat Jul 06, 2013 at 05:46:27 AM PDT

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