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  •  50% of the population is already doing this in (4+ / 0-)

    some manner, although perhaps not with proper purpose.

    Democracy - 1 person 1 vote. Free Markets - More dollars more power.

    by k9disc on Sat Jul 06, 2013 at 06:57:36 PM PDT

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    •  It's the old George Wallace slogan. (6+ / 0-)

      Half the population believes there's not a dime's worth of difference, so they figure "why bother?".

      Our politicians are OK with that. They fight for the persuadable sliver of the half that DO vote.

      The reason Republican pols have adopted more and more extreme positions is that the Tea Party folk have demonstrated they have the courage of their warped, misguided positions.

      Unfortunately (for them) they end up nominating pols that are repugnant to the majority of the population. The Tea Party's weakness could be OUR STRENGTH. If WE had the courage to be uncompromising in our demand that our candidates demonstrate real fealty to The New Deal and to The Great Society, they would learn within a few cycles that mere lip service to those ideals would be punished by withdrawal of support.

      Why would uncompromising demands work well for us, while it appears to be hurting the opposition? Because, what WE want in general is what the majority of the people also want - too many have despaired, however, they'll ever get it.

      Our party's greatest enemy are those among us who falsely proclaim that base Dems are more conservative than we progressives. This is bullshit, and it should be roundly and frequently rejected. Progressives want nothing more radical than for all Americans to have equal opportunity to be secure in their ability to live a decent life, free of unnecessary deprivation. And THAT is nothing more and nothing less than the American ideal.

      Take note: If you and I are engaged in a heated exchange, disabuse yourself of the notion that I'm trying (futilely) to win you over. My goal is to persuade the hundreds of non-commenting observers who've yet to make up their minds.

      by WisePiper on Sat Jul 06, 2013 at 07:31:29 PM PDT

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      •  I agree. It's about rhetoric and policy jiving (5+ / 0-)

        with values.

        Republicans have coherence here.

        Democrats? Not so much.

        "Everyone deserves healthcare!" >> mandated shopping for health insurance.

        "Peace!" >> drones are surgical.

        "Fair Wages for all" >> free trade deal of the week.

        "Save the Environment" >> grow the economy

        "Progressive Taxation" >> lower corporate taxes

        Over and over the values, rhetoric and policy don't jive from the Democratic Party.

        It's why we've been losing.

        Democracy - 1 person 1 vote. Free Markets - More dollars more power.

        by k9disc on Sat Jul 06, 2013 at 08:17:53 PM PDT

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        •  it's not as if progressives are consistent regardi (0+ / 0-)

          policy and rhetoric.

          For example, it's clear that progressives hate and/or distrust the US government, yet they demand that government be the single payer for all health care.

          Conservatives are consistent.  They hate government, so naturally hate single payer.

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