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  •  I wish the diarist would respond. (2+ / 0-)
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    I'm assuming there was something like this already in place.  Did it include the "private sector entities" (by which I assume it means contractors?

    •  It was in place (3+ / 0-)
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      ek hornbeck, TheMomCat, triv33

      It was illegal. Snowden outed them.

      They sign an EO on a Friday hoping no one notices and it makes all past illegalities mute.

      I hope someone proves me wrong. But we won't know for years.

      There are no sacred cows.

      by LaEscapee on Sat Jul 06, 2013 at 09:13:24 AM PDT

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      •  The EO was signed last year. (3+ / 0-)
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        Onomastic, second gen, ER Doc

        July 06, 2012

        “What’s the use of having developed a science well enough to make predictions if, in the end, all we’re willing to do is stand around and wait for them to come true?” - Sherwood Rowland

        by jrooth on Sat Jul 06, 2013 at 09:27:55 AM PDT

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        •  I knew that (1+ / 0-)
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          It is in fact the one year anniversary of codifying that spying and control of my communications.

          It's called a hook, it's used to draw attention to a specific subject.

          Here is the thing. Life is a cycle, when things happen they may not be noticed or have meaning, when they do come to have meaning, history becomes relevant.

          There are no sacred cows.

          by LaEscapee on Sat Jul 06, 2013 at 09:38:17 AM PDT

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          •  I'm at least as strongly against domestic spying (5+ / 0-)

            as you are, and I'm certainly entirely against government control of civilian communications.

            But I don't see how this EO applies to either of those.  It's about hardening and improving interoperability of government emergency communications systems.

            “What’s the use of having developed a science well enough to make predictions if, in the end, all we’re willing to do is stand around and wait for them to come true?” - Sherwood Rowland

            by jrooth on Sat Jul 06, 2013 at 09:46:00 AM PDT

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            •  I'll try one more time (1+ / 0-)
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              triv33
              The views of all levels of government, the private and nonprofit sectors, and the public must inform the development of national security

              If you don't inform, if private and nonprofit entities do not inform you and they are criminals.

              It's how they made Verizon hand over the goods

              There are no sacred cows.

              by LaEscapee on Sat Jul 06, 2013 at 09:52:05 AM PDT

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          •  "Continuity" of communications (4+ / 0-)
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            doesn't look to be about spying on our junk mail and junk calls, but about making our communications backbones immune to EMP (note the inclusion of nuclear command) and/or big CMEs.

            Though that would seem an infrastructure project if it's to include corporate and private communications. The leg. would have to define and fund, can't simply be EO'd into existence.

            Or it could mean consolidating all corporate and private lines of communication with the 'hardened' trunks of the government's internal system. Which would make it easier to tap, I guess. Ease isn't that much of an issue, they've already got it all.

            •  Hmmm... thinking about it, (0+ / 0-)

              'hardening' against general and governmental hackers is probably in the to-do list as well. And is likely a good idea. How they'd protect against, say, the Israelis or Chinese from infecting them with a New & Improved Stuxnet-type worm is anybody's guess. For every clever geek the gub'mint hires straight out of high school (usually after they've been rather spectacularly busted), there's two more who haven't been detected or caught.

              Not to mention security against the possibility that Americans might, in enough of an emergency (and that includes a political 'emergency'), take to smoke signals or bill posts or sign language or hep-code or something else the government can't tap into maintain line of sight on, or even decipher, no matter how hard they try.

      •  Your whole premise is bullshit. You claim it was (3+ / 0-)
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        signed Friday, when it was, in fact, signed last year. You claim they had to sign it because Snowden outed them. When, in fact, it was signed an entire year before anyone ever heard of Snowden.

        I hope someone proves me wrong.
        See above ^^

        I'd like to start a new meme: "No means no" is a misnomer. It should be "Only 'Yes' means yes." Just because someone doesn't say "No" doesn't mean they've given consent. If she didn't say "Yes", there is no consent.

        by second gen on Sat Jul 06, 2013 at 11:21:54 AM PDT

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