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  •  Yes, there are backup... (2+ / 0-)
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    provisions, and the big railroads are very good about getting crews relieved on time. A dead train costs $$$.

    The MM&A being small, they may not have a real heavy duty relief system set up, and while the hours are adhered to, the need to keep the train rolling may not be. I'm also thinking this train may have been waiting on a US based crew to come pick it up for the Maine section of its journey.

    As to value, there are very few people who can steal a tank car that weighs around 100 tons fully loaded, much less a train of them. You could siphon the crude oil, but then what do you do with it? Boxcars have been robbed, but that is very infrequent anymore, and most expensive consumer oriented cargo goes by truck now.

    And yeah, I know tarantulas don't really act like that at all, so no snarking, this is the internet damnit!

    by itzadryheat on Sat Jul 06, 2013 at 06:31:22 PM PDT

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    •  I just find it absolutely astonishing (0+ / 0-)

      that a set of tankers with flammable or toxic contents can just be left unattended out in the woods on a hill above a town.

      For the same reason I would find it astonishing if a bunch of 18-wheelers loaded with flammable chemicals were left unattended somewhere.

      But I live iNYC, a terrorist bulls-eye for at least 2 decades, so that's where I'm coming from. I was also shocked to learn that West,TX fertilizer plant stored all that hazardous material and didn't even have a perimeter fence (can't remember at the moment if they didn't have one until recently, or if they didn't have one at all).

      "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

      by LilithGardener on Sat Jul 06, 2013 at 06:54:05 PM PDT

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      •  Truly hazardous/toxic cars are secured. (1+ / 0-)
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        Crude oil, per se, isn't easily used to poison cities, so the controls on it are virtually nil.

        Things like acids, chlorine, truly poisonous gases are now carefully tracked. The TSA, after its' formation, wanted to require fencing and gated/guarded railyards for all hazardous cargoes separate from everything else. The industry protested loudly and the TSA backed off, once they were shown what measures were already in place and were deemed to be adequate upon examination.

        It was a mess, but the rail companies worry about the toxics all the time anyway, and 9/11 just added to their anxieties. Better them than trucks though...

        And yeah, I know tarantulas don't really act like that at all, so no snarking, this is the internet damnit!

        by itzadryheat on Sat Jul 06, 2013 at 09:39:34 PM PDT

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    •  The MM&A may be small BUT and it's a BIG BUT (0+ / 0-)

      the CEO of the company was the CEO of the Wisconsin Central. He had 20 years with the former Chicago & North Western (now part of the Union Pacific RR). His name is Ed Burkhardt and he is very well known in the industry.

      Here's info on the holding company's leadership.

      My point is that this outfit is led by experienced railroaders. The safety record for MM&A may get linked to these guys.

      While not all republicans are bigots, all bigots are republicans.

      by Maximilien Robespierre on Sat Jul 06, 2013 at 08:05:51 PM PDT

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      •  link would help...Duh... (0+ / 0-)

        While not all republicans are bigots, all bigots are republicans.

        by Maximilien Robespierre on Sat Jul 06, 2013 at 08:06:23 PM PDT

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      •  I know of Mr. Burkhardt, (0+ / 0-)

        And yeah, the MMA looks like a good line, one that wouldn't shirk on safety at all. In the rail industry you would have to be a complete fool not to be safety conscious or you won't have any employees or business quickly.

        I looked at your link and the MMA's website, and yeah, they are good people with lots of experience.

        I'm tending towards a non-railroad problem.

        And yeah, I know tarantulas don't really act like that at all, so no snarking, this is the internet damnit!

        by itzadryheat on Sat Jul 06, 2013 at 09:30:56 PM PDT

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