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  •  I don't deny the existence (20+ / 0-)

    of evil! I simply say that I do not judge other people. I judge their actions. I condemn Cheney's actions as evil. I think he should be punished for them. But I am not prepared to say the man himself is evil. In a sense, I guess, I am saying people are not necessarily evil but have instead lost their "right reason." As Milton says in Paradise Lost, even Satan can regain heaven if he reclaims right reason.

    "Those are my principles, and if you don't like them...well, I have others." --Groucho Marx

    by Dragon5616 on Sun Jul 07, 2013 at 07:46:29 AM PDT

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    •  That's ok. (17+ / 0-)

      I'm content to call the man evil.

      Specifically the Hannah Arendt "Banality of Evil" kind of evil.

      Tedious evilness.

      You think there is an Annakin Skywalker hiding inside his Darthness?

      Perhaps, but he has done irredeemable things and one should always wish to be able to truncate the trajectory of such people.

    •  Do you think this is honest and not just a play of (9+ / 0-)

      words?

      I simply say that I do not judge other people. I judge their actions
      Most people, who use these words: "someone is evil", most probably don't give a thought about that to mean anything else than "your actions are evil".  In the end it's you, who engaged in the actions, and that for simple-minded people like me makes the person "something like evil", though I really never used these words until it became fashionable to mock the Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld gang for these expressions. I had never heard of an "axis of evil" before Bush times. I am also not religious and the existence of "Satan" is something I put into fairytales.

      So, what about thoughts? Can you judge the thoughts people have? Evil thoughts? When spoken, but not acted upon? You don't judge people for their thoughts? When does the action start? When you start thinking 'evil', speaking 'evil' or acting 'evil'?

      Had we ever a paradise to lose to begin with?

      I think you are not willing (and I commend you for it) to see a human being as evil. I sympathize with that. We are all born 'unevil'. The problem starts when our brain learns the words and starts expressing itself... but as we can't do anything about that ...

      I blame all those evilness on God. He made us so. And now, we all, realizing he made a mistake in his creation, come up with religions to tell us not to be evil, because God didn't mean to make us so. Okey, dokey.

      •  There's a lot there, mimi. (7+ / 0-)

        I think you understand where I am coming from.

        I think you are not willing (and I commend you for it) to see a human being as evil. I sympathize with that. We are all born 'unevil'. The problem starts when our brain learns the words and starts expressing itself...
        To me, evil actions are the result of flawed thinking.

        Satan as an entity is, of course, a fairy tale, but Satan as a metaphor for evil actions is OK by me. As long as "God" is reasonable.

        "Those are my principles, and if you don't like them...well, I have others." --Groucho Marx

        by Dragon5616 on Sun Jul 07, 2013 at 08:52:58 AM PDT

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      •  ...the intention you have behind your actions... (10+ / 0-)

        ...are what matters. Once you take an action, those who witness it or are affected by it will judge that action. Say 10 people are affected by an action you take...6 may think it was awesome and 4 may think it was rotten.

        How others judge your actions normally is their projection onto your actions of their stuff...which sometimes is full of baggage.

        BUT, you have control over the intentions you hold. If your intentions are to be beneficial for everyone, then your intentions come from love and empathy. The actions you then take are infused by you intention.

        If your intentions are for personal gain, they you simultaneously exclude others and sever connection to others. Selfish intentions normally WILL cause you to take actions that will be harmful for many others.

        Loving, inclusive and beneficial intentions normally WILL cause you to take actions that are positive for many others...even if they don't judge it to be so in real time.

        The intention you hold is the key...

        Ignorance is bliss only for the ignorant. The rest of us must suffer the consequences. -7.38; -3.44

        by paradise50 on Sun Jul 07, 2013 at 09:32:40 AM PDT

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        •  I don't know, p50. (5+ / 0-)

          As Aristotle said, every action is aimed at some "good."

          I am sure McVeigh saw himself as unselfishly sacrificing himself (and his victims) for the betterment of "everyone." I doubt he thought he would "gain" from it in a material way.

          I would say that it's the flawed thinking behind those intentions that created the evil.

          "Those are my principles, and if you don't like them...well, I have others." --Groucho Marx

          by Dragon5616 on Sun Jul 07, 2013 at 09:46:10 AM PDT

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          •  ...I don't want you to be my representative... (4+ / 0-)

            ...in government. You'd be the perfect Democrat that would cave to the Republicans...

            Ignorance is bliss only for the ignorant. The rest of us must suffer the consequences. -7.38; -3.44

            by paradise50 on Sun Jul 07, 2013 at 10:20:46 AM PDT

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          •  flawed thinking ... is pretty vague (2+ / 0-)
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            you make a judgement about someone's thinking when you say it's flawed. So flawed is not evil, but ... somewhat wrong ... or somehow biased ... or somehow weird ...What is flawed to you may be very correct and reasonable to that person and to other persons who judge that thinking.

            Dragon5616 I declare this question too difficult to be resolved on the NEW DAY. May be tomorrow, there is another NEW DAY, may be then we know ... what is evil. May be if we can agree on what is not evil  ... it brings us somewhere. :-)

            Good Night.

            •  Maybe it's (0+ / 0-)

              not a good topic for New Day. If I misjudged that, I apologize.

              Yes, the possibility that I may be wrong is a good reason why I am reluctant to judge people. I feel I am more or less forced to make judgments about actions, and I make those based on my best reasoning, not on, say, an ideology or religious creed.

              "Those are my principles, and if you don't like them...well, I have others." --Groucho Marx

              by Dragon5616 on Sun Jul 07, 2013 at 10:21:37 PM PDT

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        •  That sounds very reasonable - thanks p50 /nt (2+ / 0-)
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