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  •  We have done some ugly things. (2+ / 0-)
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    Garrett, ballerina X

    But let's not pretend that Afghanistan was not a violent country before we ever got there. Under the Taliban, a violation of religious law results in an array of violent punishments, including death. While we have states like Texas that execute people, we don't stone women for adultery or burn people alive for uttering the name of God.

    •  the "best times" in Afghanistan (10+ / 0-)

      were under Soviet rule.

      We all but created the Taliban to stop that.

      And don't measure America by what happens in Texas . . . measure America by what we did in Vietnam and Iraq . . .

      Fake Left, Drive Right . . . not my idea of a Democrat . . .

      by Deward Hastings on Sun Jul 07, 2013 at 12:47:08 PM PDT

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    •  Our favored warlords, though, (6+ / 0-)

      are no friend of women in Afghanistan. Rape by our sponsored militias is a severe problem now. No one can stop it, because you can't politically go after people with Special Forces backing. There is a near complete impunity.

      Our Wahhabi fundamentalist friend Abdul-Rab Sayyaf, I'd single out in particular here.

      The Afghan National Directorate of Security head Asadullah Khalid is one of his guys. Khalid is presumably behind the scenes here. He operated out of the Camp Gecko base. He is a strong backer and highly involved in the Afghan Local Police programs.

      And as far as our Sayyaf/Ittihad guy currently running amok in partially Hazara Wardak province, yuck.

      Not that our sponsored Hazara militias are much better. They have a real rape problem now, coming from the impunity we give them.

    •  So it's official, doc2 is a supporter of torture (3+ / 0-)
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      koNko, Superskepticalman, Simplify

      because after all, "they do worse".  Of course, it's not really torture is it, merely enhanced interrogation.

      You have watched Faux News, now lose 2d10 SAN.

      by Throw The Bums Out on Sun Jul 07, 2013 at 04:08:06 PM PDT

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      •  If this is the best the Administration's defenders (0+ / 0-)

        can do here, the gig is already up with over three years to go.

        "There's a conceptual zone within which the romanticized historical past and the immanentizing historical future converge in a swamp of misapprehension and misstep. It's called 'the present'." - David Beige

        by Superskepticalman on Sun Jul 07, 2013 at 07:21:57 PM PDT

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    •  Moral relativism as a defense is no defense at all (0+ / 0-)

      Our original beef was with Al Qaeda, not the Taliban.

      "There's a conceptual zone within which the romanticized historical past and the immanentizing historical future converge in a swamp of misapprehension and misstep. It's called 'the present'." - David Beige

      by Superskepticalman on Sun Jul 07, 2013 at 07:21:03 PM PDT

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      •  Al Qaeda would not have had (0+ / 0-)

        training camps were it not for the Taliban. The Taliban made Afghanistan into a protected haven for terrorists from which the 911 attacks and others were hatched. So our beef was with the Taliban almost as much as it was with al Qaeda. This is new information for you?

        •  Wahabbi fundamentalist Abdul-Rab Sayyaf (1+ / 0-)
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          is at least as connected to to bin Laden as anyone else, including running training camps.

          He was a mentor to Khalid Sheikh Mohammed as well.

          He has a present day Designated Terrorist Organization, in the Philippines, named after him and taking inspiration from him. The Abu Sayyaf terrorist group is in the news pretty frequently.

          But he gets very strong U.S. backing. We originally gave him control of the Supreme Court. We recently gave him control of the secret police.

          The United States giving Sayyaf control of the Afghan secret police. What the hell kind of thing is that?
           

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