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  •  and to be clear... (3+ / 0-)
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    That is not in any way a defense of the nsa program. It deserves to be canceled or ruled unconstitutional.

    We have just enough religion to make us hate, but not enough to make us love one another. -- Jonathan Swift

    by raptavio on Mon Jul 08, 2013 at 10:29:04 AM PDT

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    •  Agree. (4+ / 0-)
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      There are a few things I'd like to see undone, including Citizens United and what the Roberts Court just did to the VRA.

      That is why making sure the Supreme Court is not left in the hands of ideologues like Roberts is so crucially important.

      "Compassion is not weakness, and concern for the unfortunate is not socialism." Hubert H. Humphrey

      by Onomastic on Mon Jul 08, 2013 at 10:35:57 AM PDT

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      •  Agreed. (3+ / 0-)
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        If one of the conservative bloc or what is laughably called the "swing" vote -- Kennedy -- is replaced by Obama or another moderate to progressive Democrat, it will have far-reaching positive impact for a generation.

        If, on the other hand, a liberal justice or even Kennedy is replaced by an establishment to teabagger Republican, it will devastate us for a generation.

        We have just enough religion to make us hate, but not enough to make us love one another. -- Jonathan Swift

        by raptavio on Mon Jul 08, 2013 at 11:59:37 AM PDT

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        •  Full disclosure - (2+ / 0-)
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          As I explained to the friends we were visiting yesterday, when "they're all corrupt" hit the conversation.

          Having real issues with the two party system we have I'd always concidered myself an Independent, even though I voted Democrat most of the time, with some Greens thrown in.

          That changed in 2008, for one reason - the accelerated right ward, theocratic, corporate moves of the Republican Party.

          I'd prefer a Parliamentary style of government along with a few other things that our cousins in England have.

          But that is not the system we have in place.

          I have to work with the system we have.

          Whether we like it or not, we all do.

          I can, we can, push the Democratic party in the direction it needs to go through local activism and a lot of work.

          Perhaps at some point we can even have a viable third party or more.

          But right now, we can't do a damn thing with what is today's Republican Party except move heaven and earth to keep it from gaining more power and removing it from power where it has it.

          I signed on as a Democrat in 2008 for those reasons and have seen nothing to change that decision.

          If we don't GOTV for 2014 and 2016 it will take more than a generation to repair the damage the Republicans have and will do.

          Given the Republican's attacks on voting rights and women's rights, wins for them in 2014 and 2016 may change this country into something unrecognizable.  

          All other concerns I have are subsumed in that one reality.

          We can't do anything about the NSA, voting rights, climate change, the economy, Citizens United, the war on women, unless we win. And that's going to take a major effort in messaging, grass roots work, and getting out the vote. Anything other than that is a recipe for disaster.

          Sorry to go on for so long, but that's the way I see it.

          "Compassion is not weakness, and concern for the unfortunate is not socialism." Hubert H. Humphrey

          by Onomastic on Mon Jul 08, 2013 at 01:01:38 PM PDT

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          •  Quite all right. (2+ / 0-)
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            You speak for us both. Though I have my misgivings about the NSA's direction under this administration and don't have much in the way of better feelings about the same under a Hillary Clinton administration, I know the power to put an end to it comes with Congress -- and ONLY a Democratic Congress has a whelk's chance in a supernova of doing it.

            We have just enough religion to make us hate, but not enough to make us love one another. -- Jonathan Swift

            by raptavio on Mon Jul 08, 2013 at 01:03:33 PM PDT

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            •  I keep thinking of the MLK quote - (1+ / 0-)
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              The Arc of the Moral Universe Is Long, but It Bends Toward Justice

              That and Samwise Gamgee's  -

              There's beauty in this world and it's worth fighting for.

              We many not be able to see how we'll get there or doubt if we can, but giving up is not an option.

              I'd rather work towards giving that "whelk in a supernova" a fighting chance. :)

              It's this beautiful blued world's hope, after all. :)

              "Compassion is not weakness, and concern for the unfortunate is not socialism." Hubert H. Humphrey

              by Onomastic on Mon Jul 08, 2013 at 01:14:02 PM PDT

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