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  •  I can't say that she's deliberately (1+ / 0-)
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    sought to prosper from the exploitation of others, but prosper from it she has, politically if not materially. And she certainly didn't stand in the way when others were clearly seeking to prosper from such things.

    I think she's among the better of a bad lot, like Obama. But damn, we can and must do better, or else we're screwed.

    "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

    by kovie on Sun Jul 07, 2013 at 09:21:08 PM PDT

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    •  Obama is better than that Hillary (1+ / 0-)
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      ...and Biden is better than both of them.

      Hillary is behind the atrocity of Nato's holy war on Libya. And the blowback from that clusterfuck is just beginning.



      Denial is a drug.

      by Pluto on Sun Jul 07, 2013 at 09:25:10 PM PDT

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      •  The standard is less being better (2+ / 0-)
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        than not being quite as bad, both morally and in terms of competence. We have so few leaders who are genuinely better on both counts, like Liz Warren and Barbara Lee. I know so few people who are. It's a modern disease.

        I.e. my sig line.

        "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

        by kovie on Sun Jul 07, 2013 at 09:30:13 PM PDT

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        •  Presidents are groomed and vetted (2+ / 0-)
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          ...for many years. They start going to church, are introduced to the financiers, they are made flexible ie. compromised. Approved selections are made for you -- which is why both sides are grumpy about their lack of options.

          But, one must be completely cognizant about what a President is for. It is a relatively powerless position. The President, too, is presented with pre-vetted choices, after all.

          OPOL said it best today:

          "The presidency is both a shiny object and a heat sink. It distracts us from what's being done to us, and to others in our names, while taking the heat off of those doing it." -- One Pissed Off Liberal, 2013
          When you accept this reality, then your choices will suddenly expand.

          You'll see.



          Denial is a drug.

          by Pluto on Sun Jul 07, 2013 at 09:43:50 PM PDT

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          •  And yet, we had Lincoln, TR, FDR & LBJ (2+ / 0-)
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            who were their own men, if not right away, then eventually. What's changed?

            "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

            by kovie on Sun Jul 07, 2013 at 09:54:53 PM PDT

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            •  Technology. (1+ / 0-)
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              Denial is a drug.

              by Pluto on Sun Jul 07, 2013 at 09:56:35 PM PDT

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              •  Yes and no (2+ / 0-)
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                There was a similar "End of History" outlook at the turn of the 19th century, only in a much more positive way, as opposed to this fatalistic way. It, like the other one, will, I believe, prove to be simplistic and unfounded.

                Among other reasons,because technology can work both ways, and because of its relative low cost, can be powerful in enough of the right hands. E.g. the "Twitter Revolution". Also, one can't discount the impact of unforeseen and unforeseeable disruptive factors, like social media or climate change (in terms of their future specific consequences). I.e. stuff happens, both good and bad.

                I think we're currently in a "rejiggering" phase and no one can know how it'll play out. The elite think they have it all figured out this time, but they always think that. And they're always wrong. They can no more control the future than could those 19th century technocratic progressives.

                "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

                by kovie on Sun Jul 07, 2013 at 10:05:23 PM PDT

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