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  •  right now, if you use encrypted email you are (4+ / 0-)

    flagged and they are saved for future cracking....

    If all they are interested in is the metadata than why the hell are they saving encrypted email's contents when the metadata is in plain text and visible....

    That is what you say they are doing and only that without a warrant correct?  What is their reasonable articulable suspicion that allows them to archive the contents of my emails when my metadata shows no suspicious patterns?

    Why do they give a damn about the contents of my email anyway considering I show no suspicious patterns? Why am I suddenly lumped with terrorist sympathizers and other unsavory characters....meek little me who just actually gives a damn that what I write to someone isn't read by any bozo that feels like it

    There are many different completely legal and logical reasons to use encrypted email including privacy concerns.  Why is that right of mine being abridged...When did it become illegal to write in code to your friends?

    Vaya con Dios Don Alejo
    I want to die a slave to principles. Not to men.
    Emiliano Zapata

    by buddabelly on Sun Jul 07, 2013 at 11:20:33 PM PDT

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    •  is that really a surprise? (0+ / 0-)

      the vast majority of email isn't encrypted so of course they are going to want to know what it is.

      And no I am not saying that that should mean they can. But then again a rational adult conversation on the matter seems to have be voided in favor of paranoid libertarian fantasies.

      As for what they are doing, they are saving as much as they can and using the metadata as a fliter.

      In the time that I have been given,
      I am what I am

      by duhban on Sun Jul 07, 2013 at 11:35:45 PM PDT

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      •  they admitted they were separating out and saving (4+ / 0-)

        the content of all encrypted emails whether or not there were suspicious patterns and they went to the same category as known terrorist sympathizers!

        Don't you find that to be an outrageous violation of the right to privacy and search and seizure?....Remember we aren't talking metadata and we aren't talking supposition or conspiracy theory, they admitted this openly and proudly.

        This alone imo is reason for investigation,and if it isn't prosecutable then we need to get on that PATRIOT act repeal and add some serious privacy protections to boot......

        Vaya con Dios Don Alejo
        I want to die a slave to principles. Not to men.
        Emiliano Zapata

        by buddabelly on Mon Jul 08, 2013 at 12:49:21 AM PDT

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        •  yes because as of right now there is (0+ / 0-)

          no legal reason they can not.

          If you would like to change that then let's get on it but your rights, my rights, anyone rights' in the digital age have never been well defined.

          It's why I support a consitutional convention to define them.

          In the time that I have been given,
          I am what I am

          by duhban on Mon Jul 08, 2013 at 09:57:20 AM PDT

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        •  To use the mail analogy (2+ / 0-)
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          - that would be like an assumption that anyone who has a locked mailbox, must be receiving mail worth cataloging, and the government has a right to create and store a full duplicate of your mail, just in case they ever have a reason to open it.

          Yes, a lot of people still have unlocked mailboxes at the end of the driveway, and the public nature of you postal address doesn't give anyone the right to follow the postman and look through your mail.

          "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

          by LilithGardener on Mon Jul 08, 2013 at 12:07:42 PM PDT

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          •  yup, there really is no justification under our (2+ / 0-)
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            Constitutional framework for this action...It assumes guilt simply because a person wants some privacy....

            I would love to see everyone and i mean everyone start using at least PGP while using trucrypt on their drives...Lock that shit down and force them to either crack it or give up...

            I was reading a security site the other day and supposedly to brute force a 256bit PGP private key would take all the energy the universe produces in a minute or something equally ridiculous.......and a lot of time, their most precious resource.

            I would love something like a thumbdrive with something like Puppy linux, Tor, a tor browser and PGP for dummies that could just be plugged in and automatically encrypt everything encryptable....

            Lets give em a real big file if they want to start a file.....

            Vaya con Dios Don Alejo
            I want to die a slave to principles. Not to men.
            Emiliano Zapata

            by buddabelly on Mon Jul 08, 2013 at 01:54:18 PM PDT

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            •  Exactly - lets start sending each other (2+ / 0-)
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              articles from the New York times, encrypted, with cryptic subject lines. Just a dozen or so articles per day. And forward encrypted articles to our think tanks. And forward encrypted images to Congress Critters.

              "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

              by LilithGardener on Mon Jul 08, 2013 at 02:15:24 PM PDT

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    •  why, why, why? (1+ / 0-)
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      That is the burning question!

      Takin it to the Streets! time to GOTV

      by totallynext on Mon Jul 08, 2013 at 03:32:29 AM PDT

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