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  •  I don't know about anyone else (34+ / 0-)

    but I kind of thought (circa 2008) that we had a very good chance of bringing the black ops under some control.  I was wrong.  Just as this is not really about Snowden (the man) it is also not about Obama (the President) other than an awful lot of secrets are being kept from the public and handed to some very powerful private corporations.  I would have expected this a la Iraq under Bush II, but not from Obama.  It is certainly starting to feel like a coup and I'm not sure there is a way out of this, no matter which political party has control of the Executive branch.  I used to compare the D's and R's as to which party would send us over the cliff; well, we're over the cliff now and bouncing off the cliff face.  We have congress people (Wyden and Udall, for example) who tell us that it would be against the law to tell us what they know, but it is bad.  My question to them is, "Is it against the Constitution?"  Other Dem congress people are just fine with all this secrecy stuff (DiFi is a great example of that) and pat us on the head dismissively with "Just trust us".  Since the TARP agreement was negotiated in back rooms in 2008, most of our legislation is being hammered out in Gangs of xx people.  Secrets, secrets everywhere and the D's are just as culpable.

    •  It would have taken Obama throwing the doors open (12+ / 0-)

      on day one.

      It would've been revolutionary, literally: those with power losing it, and those without (us citizens) gaining.

      At the very least Obama could have cleaned house, firing Bush/Cheney partisans and "security" hacks. But no, we got John Brennan et al.

      Government and laws are the agreement we all make to secure everyone's freedom.

      by Simplify on Mon Jul 08, 2013 at 10:19:42 AM PDT

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    •  Wyden and Udall could tell us what they know... (0+ / 0-)

      ...if it weren't for the traitors who control the rest of the US Senate.

      The parliamentary privilege clause of the Constitution means that if they read the information into the Congressional Record, they are exempt from ALL laws such as "classified information" and other such bullshit.  The parliamentary privilege clause in in the Constitution for that specific reason.

      The problem is the US Senate.  The Senate is the only body with the legal right to punish Wyden and Udall.  

      Apparently Wyden and Udall believe that a majority of Senators are on the side of the evil, Constitution-violating NSA spooks.

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