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  •  I'd be surprised if 1% of people (2+ / 0-)
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    Klusterpuck, congenitalefty

    read the TOS instead of just scrolling down and clicking "I agree." So, no.

    Can you show me an example of a TOS that says "All your phone metadata belongs to us"? (Honest question--not rhetorical.)

    "He, O men, is the wisest, who, like Socrates, knows that his wisdom is in truth worth nothing."--Socrates

    by TealTerror on Mon Jul 08, 2013 at 11:35:03 AM PDT

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    •  Go get your cellphone TOS agreement. (1+ / 0-)
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      Here's the key section of mine from AT&T:

      The software, interfaces, documentation, data, and content provided for your Equipment as may be updated, downloaded, or replaced by feature enhancements, software updates, system restore software or data generated or provided subsequently by AT&T (hereinafter “Software”) is licensed, not sold, to you by AT&T and/or its licensors/suppliers for use only on your Equipment. Your use of the Software shall comply with its intended purposes as determined by us, all applicable laws, and AT&T’s Acceptable Use Policy at

      You are not permitted to use the Software in any manner not authorized by this License. You may not (and you agree not to enable others to) copy, decompile, reverse engineer, disassemble, reproduce, attempt to derive the source code of, decrypt, modify, defeat protective mechanisms, combine with other software, or create derivative works of the Software or any portion thereof. You may not rent, lease, lend, sell, redistribute, transfer or sublicense the Software or any portion thereof. You agree the Software contains proprietary content and information owned by AT&T and/or its licensors/suppliers.

      AT&T and its licensors/suppliers reserve the right to change, suspend, terminate, remove, impose limits on the use or access to, or disable access to, the Software at any time without notice and will have no liability for doing so. You acknowledge AT&T’s Software licensors/suppliers are intended third party beneficiaries of this license, including the indemnification, limitation of liability, disclaimer of warranty provisions found in this Agreement.

      And more:

      You authorize AT&T or a third party working on AT&T's behalf to listen to, and transcribe all or part of a voicemail message and to convert such voicemail message into text/email, and to use voicemail messages and transcriptions to enhance, train and improve AT&T's speech recognition and transcription services, software and equipment.
      And the kicker:

      Technical & Usage Information related to the services we provide to you, including information about your use of our network, services, products or websites. Examples of the Technical & Usage Information we collect include:

      Equipment Information that identifies the equipment you use on our network, such as equipment type, IDs, serial numbers, settings, configuration, and software.

      Performance Information about the operation of the equipment, services and applications you use on our network, such as IP addresses, URLs, data transmission rates and latencies, location information, security characteristics, and information about the amount of bandwidth and other network resources you use in connection with uploading, downloading or streaming data to and from the Internet.

      AT&T Website Usage Information about your use of AT&T websites, including the pages you visit, the length of time you spend, the links or advertisements you follow and the search terms you enter on our sites, and the websites you visit immediately before and immediately after visiting one of our sites. We also may collect similar information about your use of AT&T applications on wireless devices.

      Viewing Information about the programs you watch and record, the games you play and similar choices you and those in your household make when using our AT&T U-verse TV, U-verse Online, U-verse Mobile and similar AT&T services and products.

      How do we collect information?

      We collect information in three primary ways:

      You Give Us Information: We collect information from you when you purchase a service from us or when you interact with us about a product or service we offer or provide. For example, you provide us with Contact Information, and Billing Information (such as credit information and Social Security number) when you order a service or establish an account with us.

      We Collect Information Automatically: We automatically collect certain types of information when you visit our websites or use our products and services. For example, we automatically collect various types of Technical & Usage Information when you use our video programming, wireless, Wi-Fi or High Speed Internet products and services.

      We Collect Information from Other Sources: We may obtain information about you from outside sources. For example, we may request credit information about you from credit agencies for the purpose of initiating service to you, obtain commercially available demographic and marketing information about you from third parties, or purchase e-mail lists from third parties for advertising and marketing purposes.

      The software on my phone, and any data it collects, are the property of AT&T...spelled out clearly. And they say very clearly they will share this information freely. And they can change the terms of this agreement at any time without my consent. And I cannot sue them for any reason...I must go to mandatory AT&T sponsored arbitration.

      That sound like privacy rights to you?

      •  Nope, it doesn't sound like privacy rights (3+ / 0-)

        Thanks for the info. It's clear that the current policies revolving around phone and internet data are close to the opposite of what they should be.

        "He, O men, is the wisest, who, like Socrates, knows that his wisdom is in truth worth nothing."--Socrates

        by TealTerror on Mon Jul 08, 2013 at 11:59:42 AM PDT

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      •  aren you saying the content is theirs? (1+ / 0-)
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        cause that would seem to matter..or are we still on the metadata and what does that really mean thing?

        I think we are way past the point of worrying about the metadata, that could be an issue after we protect the content.

        And efforts to say the metadata is just as revealing are interesting but I still want the content to be mine, and protected from snooping and storage by the government and any subcontractors.

          I trusted Verizon/yahoo.etc with it...bad enough, I don't like their back door access to it, without transparent and obvious oversight, something that has been sloughed off to the secret government.
         So the metadata is theirs to sell and distribute, ugh, and their software is theirs, but content?

        This machine kills Fascists.

        by KenBee on Mon Jul 08, 2013 at 01:41:32 PM PDT

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      •  Never agreed to any of those. (0+ / 0-)

        When you have no other option, they're unconscionable, and therefore unenforceable, contracts of adhesion.  

        But in fact, you do not agree to any such contract when you get either a prepaid cell or a landline.

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