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  •  "self" rationalizing? I have no stake beyond (4+ / 0-)
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    a FREAK OUT about the future of our beloved democracy's open society without persecution for dissent.

    Did you know about all of this NSA and secret court stuff BEFORE Snowden?

    If so, where did you get your information?

    Just curious.

    Separation of Church and State AND Corporation

    by Einsteinia on Mon Jul 08, 2013 at 11:48:44 AM PDT

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    •  It scrys its information from the entrails of (3+ / 0-)

      goats who don't pay its bridge toll.

      Mr. Universe is a known degenerate Robotophile, and his sources include former Browncoat Traitors. What is their agenda in leaking top secret information about the Reavers and endangering us all?

      by JesseCW on Mon Jul 08, 2013 at 05:37:03 PM PDT

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    •  as a scientist I use 'know' differently (0+ / 0-)

      then the vast majority of people so for clarity I am going to use KNOW for the verison of the word I use. KNOW to me implies knowing beyond scientific doubt or with absolute certainity (depending on the topic). So did I KNOW? No I did not but then again I do KNOW how the internet works so what the NSA is doing with monitoring meta data neither surprises me nor alarms me.

      Should it be monitored? Hell yes

      Do we need a serious conversation about digital rights? Hell yes

      But that's not what Snowden has created and neither has he shown any wrong doing. You might be upset about that, frankly I am not sure how I feel about it. But then again it's not the NSA's fault for what the law is or isn't and if we want to do anything about that the first of many steps is getting the GOP out of the House.

      I hope that helps you, it's been a long day and I have a couple other major responses to give so I am done here for the day. And honestly by tomorrow the diary should be left alone so if you have more questions kos mail me. I don't mind an honest open discussion but you will get nothing less then my honest opinion and I will not waste my time.


      In the time that I have been given,
      I am what I am

      by duhban on Mon Jul 08, 2013 at 08:53:32 PM PDT

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      •  Snowden has demonstrated massive unconstitutional (0+ / 0-)

        behavior -- that is, MASSIVE CRIMES -- committed by the President, the Attorney General, the Director of National Intelligence, and the NSA.  Oh, and the FISA court.

        You can lie about it all day long, but those are the facts.  I suggest you shut up if you don't want to pay attention to facts.

        •  um no he hasn't (0+ / 0-)

          in point of fact even Greenwald the perpetual critic of Obama has not even made that claim.

          Frankly if anyone should shut up and pay attention I would suggest it would be you.

          In the time that I have been given,
          I am what I am

          by duhban on Mon Jul 08, 2013 at 10:13:35 PM PDT

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