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  •  And I am not sure why we would want to (2+ / 0-)
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    measure sexual orientation. It seems futile and pointless.

    "You can die for Freedom, you just can't exercise it"

    by shmuelman on Mon Jul 08, 2013 at 11:12:06 AM PDT

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    •  ah, yes, because when you measure (1+ / 0-)
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      or analyze then the next step is to theorize remediation based on some belief that a certain outcome is desirable. Slippery, dangerous slope indeed.

      First thing to come to some people's minds when the theory of a "gay" gene was proffered was, "hmmm, now possibly we can weed out the gayz in the womb".

      •  No, but just as bad, if it's epigenetic, then the (0+ / 0-)

        gene[s] responsible may be turned on or off by certain external environmental factors.

        I don't see it as genetic. I see it as bio-chemistry that determined some of these matters, in the womb, specifically the brain.

        But new scientific data could come and wipe that out. That makes more sense to me, than a gene or epigenetic mechanisms that turn genes on and off.

      •  Which is why (3+ / 0-)
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        when asked if I think being gay is an innate or learned behavior, I say, "I don't care." Because I don't.

        Gay sex is not dangerous, immoral, or irrational. Whether you choose to have sex with a person of your own gender or not, there is no valid reason to prevent it as long as both people involved are consenting and adult.

        In a free society (as ours purports to be, but which it is clearly not) the state has no interest in who an adult has sex with or their genders.

        While it may be an interesting biological footnote, whether being gay is nature or nurture should have no bearing on society's position on the subject. We are free people. Who we have sex with is none of the state's business.

        •  agreed (0+ / 0-)

          and when people start talking causation you need to start asking why they are asking. Usually "scientific" "research" in this arena leads to notions of "fixing" fairly quickly. It all starts out with a innocent "we just wanna know" stance.

          •  I have no doubt that any number of scientists (0+ / 0-)

            really just do want to know, the same way earlier scientists wanted to know what causes eye color.

            But there's no way they can stop their research from being seized upon by those with other agendas.

    •  "The proper study of mankind is man" (0+ / 0-)

      Scientific curiosity seems to be built in to us.

      Freedom isn't free. Patriots pay taxes.

      by Dogs are fuzzy on Tue Jul 09, 2013 at 12:09:52 PM PDT

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