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  •  According to Pew, 85% of MSNBC's... (6+ / 0-)

    programming is opinion, and we know which opinion will be voiced.

    This far outweighs Fox and CNN.

    Even the commercials are propaganda.

    •  Here is the link... (0+ / 0-)

      though I have noticed that there is a decline is sourcing in the comments generally.

    •  Wrong link above...but here is the right one. (0+ / 0-)
    •  Well, of course. (0+ / 0-)

      They don't even have a nightly "news" show, like Fox and CNN does.

      Why does this surprise you?

      •  I did not say I was surprised... (0+ / 0-)

        so please do not put words in my mouth.

        It is ironic, however, that so many think it's only Fox that propagandizes when the progressive network does it far more, even in its own self-promotion.

    •  I too find it interestimg that (0+ / 0-)

      MSNBC can spend twice as much pundit time repeating Democratic statment's and destroying Republican lies. Maybe it's because Republicans tell lies at a 3 to 1 rate from the Democrat's. That must keep MSNBC pretty busy

      George Mason University Center for Media and Public Affairs  link

      has rated Republican claims as false three times as often as Democratic claims during President Obama's second term.
      Actually, now that I realize it, what I find amazing is that those right wing mouthpieces can uncritically and repeatedly spew and opine 3 times the lies in half the time that MSNBC spends on their opinion pieces . It also seems to me repeating a known lie is no different than simply lying to your audience in the first place

      "We thought about it for a long time, "Endeavor to persevere." And when we had thought about it long enough, we declared war on the Union."

      by voodoochild62 on Mon Jul 08, 2013 at 12:54:42 PM PDT

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      •  I think that is a poor rationalization... (0+ / 0-)

        when it comes to the matter of MSNBC.

        Although I think the study you cite, which looks at Republicans, not the media, is interesting, it is not definitive.

        Last November, CMPA indicated that, relied on in the study you cite, skews against Republicans.

        The two leading media fact-checkers don’t agree on which political party bends the truth more, according to a new study by the Center for Media and Public Affairs (CMPA) at George Mason University and Chapman University. The study finds that rates Republican claims as false twice as often as Democratic claims, while the Washington Post Fact Checker column faults the two parties about equally.
        •  poor rationalization? maybe (0+ / 0-)

          as poor as citing

          85% of MSNBC's programming is opinion
          and linking that study to
          and we know which opinion will be voiced.
          That study has nothing to do with "we know which opinion will be voiced" but you link them so slyly I couldn't let your misdirection to go unremarked. And yet you were so quick to correctly note my cited study
          "looks at Republicans, not the media"
          when my point was to note which media outlets spend their allotted time pushing the truth vs. lies, a far more important paradigm.

          PEW's point about 85% opinion is as worthless and silly as criticizing "Live From New York it's Saturday Night" and noting that it's 85% live while some bits are prerecorded.

          Hell MSNBC is 99.99% more weekend prison shows than the other news channels and that's just as silly metric to try to employ.

          "We thought about it for a long time, "Endeavor to persevere." And when we had thought about it long enough, we declared war on the Union."

          by voodoochild62 on Mon Jul 08, 2013 at 02:06:32 PM PDT

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          •  Why? (0+ / 0-)

            I'll go with Pew's findings. They have no axe to grind in my view.

            Can you provide another study that shows its bias against MSNBC?

            Do you dispute that MSNBC speaks with one voice and that most everyone knows what it is?

            The information I provided, from the very organization you cited, shows that the 3 to 1 ratio may be questionable and biased. No more, no less.

            As for the SNL and prison show remarks, they make no sense and are weaker rationalizations than your original one, which at least was interesting to consider. That's why I read the findings and saw the link to the second study that looked at  

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