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  •  Seems like most of the shootings were.... (3+ / 0-)
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    ....on the far West and South sides.

    Maybe some of the shooting was due to a Latin Kings war, but most of the shooting was in African-American areas.

    But, as I understand it, it is intra-gang fighting, mainly because the leaders have been sent to prison and the gangs are breaking up into warring factions.

    Or so I've read.

    •  So? (2+ / 0-)

      Somehow New York City and Los Angeles are turning in lower homicide rates and totals than Chicago, even though they have smaller populations.  Los Angeles is not known for its lack of gang history.  

      The fact is that had a bunch of youths taken the Red Line into the city and rampaged on North Michigan Avenue to the point of killing 12 people, even if all 12 were fellow rampagers, the whole city would be under martial law and it would be on the national news.  (A nonlethal rampage earlier this year caused more national stir than 12 killings.)  

      When it comes to protecting the wealthy and powerful at big events or keeping protestors "in line", Chicago's police response never lacks for staffing or equipment.  The police response to a bunch of peaceful protestors mixed with a few score "Black Bloc" members was quite vigorous.  This may well be a legitimate and proper use of police authority.  But when the sole function of the police is to protect the rich and powerful from the poor and marginalized, as opposed to protecting everybody from damage to person and property, then the unprotected have reason to believe that the police force is illegitimate.  

      As for the "they're killing each other" theory -- it was tried out in Los Angeles before the 1992 riots.  The failure of that strategy was played out on national television during the riots.  The "decapitated gangs fighting it out" may be true;  but one would hope that Chicago's police are less corrupt and more effective than those in the Mexican backcountry.  For that matter, the list of "Al-Qaeda #2s" killed grew quite long during the last decade.

      "Politics should be the part-time profession of every citizen who would protect the rights and privileges of free people and who would preserve what is good and fruitful in our national heritage." -- Lucille Ball

      by Yamaneko2 on Mon Jul 08, 2013 at 10:18:22 AM PDT

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      •  Just telling you why theyre shooting at each other (1+ / 0-)
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        Six of the 72 shot last weekend were shot because a van pulled up, a guy got out, and started firing at a group of people on a porch (who were allegedly related to a rival gang member).

        How are the cops supposed to stop that short of tailing every van in the city?

        •  I'm not sure. (0+ / 0-)

          It would be impossible to tail every van in the city.  Maybe the number of shootings can only be reduced from 72 to six or thirty-six.  

          It's less impossible to cultivate a network of informants, to maintain a database of gang members (entering their names only after conviction of a crime) and to convince residents that the official brand of communal safety (police and courts) is better than the gang alternative.  

          In your next post, you mention that tearing down the projects gave birth to a lot of the violence because gangs had new boundaries to set up.  That's a very reasonable conclusion.  It does not help that Rahm Emanuel is setting up his school system to make kids cross gang boundaries to get to school.  But for that matter, it's outrageous that self-appointed thugs are capable of dividing up a city like British diplomats divided South Asia and Africa.  

          "Politics should be the part-time profession of every citizen who would protect the rights and privileges of free people and who would preserve what is good and fruitful in our national heritage." -- Lucille Ball

          by Yamaneko2 on Mon Jul 08, 2013 at 10:16:32 PM PDT

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      •  Another fact you probably don't care about. (2+ / 0-)

        Much of the current crime is also due to the high-rise public housing projects being pulled down.

        Gangs controlled those highrises, now the members were given Section 8 vouchers and sent into the neighborhoods, often where rival gangsters live.

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