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  •  I believe it is normal to do one to assess age (0+ / 0-)

    but it doesn't have to be done that same day, same clinic, same physician.

    Fry, don't be a hero! It's not covered by our health plan!

    by elfling on Mon Jul 08, 2013 at 05:46:59 PM PDT

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    •  An ultra sound (3+ / 0-)
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      is NOT needed to determine the age of the baby, nor would it be the final say on the age of a baby. The science of determining the exact age of a baby is not there. Which is why so many women do not deliver on their due date---often a week before of after, or an even greater discrepancy from the estimated due date.

      Now maybe things have changed, w/all the latest restrictions on abortions. But my friends who DID have abortions never had ultra sounds for ANY reason.

      And, when I was pregnant, I had an ultra sound BY CHOICE, not demand. And that ultra sound did not make my due date correct. I was early by a week, even after the ultra sound.

      I could have gone through my whole pregnancy without ever having an ultra sound and not been considered derelict in my duty as a woman.  Doctors may have encouraged it for certain reasons, but then they were doctors, not the government.

      "A typical vice of American politics is the avoidance of saying anything real on real issues." Theodore Roosevelt.

      by StellaRay on Mon Jul 08, 2013 at 06:14:21 PM PDT

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      •  I did go a whole pregnancy (1+ / 0-)
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        without an ultrasound and my midwife and I were right about everything we thought or felt. She could tell how far along I was just by kneading my abdomen. I new the day before I gave birth that I was going to give birth in the morning.

        It was so freeing to work with someone who trusted me to trust my instincts, which made it easy to trust her. What a successful and empowering partnership.

        Years ago, I had an abortion. I did not need an ultrasound to tell me I was pregnant or to convince me I was making the best choice at that time in my life.

        As for the people around me, for their lack of support and the hurtful things they said and did - a swift knock over their heads with a vaginal probe would have made me feel a little better.

        •  What these men don't understand (2+ / 0-)
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          and never will, is how difficult the choice to abort is, and the toll it takes on any woman who goes through it. I rocked a few of my friends in my arms after they went through it, and it was clear to me how hard it was on them, and that was WITHOUT Scott Walker telling them their decision making process would be better moored with an ultra sound.

          It just scalds my nerves when I see the right simultaneously go after abortion rights AND birth control, while I'm quite sure many of these old coots are popping viagra like popcorn.

          "A typical vice of American politics is the avoidance of saying anything real on real issues." Theodore Roosevelt.

          by StellaRay on Mon Jul 08, 2013 at 08:25:13 PM PDT

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    •  I needed an ultrasound (0+ / 0-)

      When I had an abortion, but this was in the early nineties. It was to determine pregnancy if I remember right, since it was so early. I don't think it's necessary in all cases.

      Union busting???? That's disgusting!!!

      by invisiblewoman on Mon Jul 08, 2013 at 07:14:46 PM PDT

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    •  a vaginal ultrasound? (0+ / 0-)

      I don't think it's a standard part of care for routine abortions.
      The only time I had a vaginal u.s. was to rule out ovarian cancer.

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