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  •  I didn't learn anything useful about Socrates (2+ / 0-)
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    Ojibwa, Catte Nappe

    in an excellent High School. College introduced me to Plato and The Apology. I didn't learn that he was a one percenter in favor of Spartan rule until I worked in a used book store and I. F. Stone's excellent book, 'The Trial of Socrates' came to my attention.

    •  If someone were a one percenter, (2+ / 0-)
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      all that means is that their income or wealth put them in the top 1%. They were rich. It doesn't mean that they were bad, or illiberal; it actually tells us very little about who a person is or was. Hating someone because he or she was rich makes little more sense than hating someone for being tall or for growing a beard.

      •  There are two kinds. (2+ / 0-)
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        Words In Action, Barton Funk

        Only one kind thinks that they deserve it and are better.

        •  So why lump both together and (0+ / 0-)

          use "1%er" in a denigrating way? Why not call them "greedy people" or something like that? You know, as this site gets more successful, Markos himself will become (if not already) a one-percenter. And there are many here in this community who are as well. FDR and JFK and RFK and John Kerry and Barack Obama are also one-percenters, and Warren Buffett is a .001%er. Lumping all rich people together with people like the Kochs is no better than any other type of stereotyping.

          •  Which kind do you think Plato was? (1+ / 0-)
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            Barton Funk

            I disambiguate between the wealthiest one percent, the top one percent of earners, and one percenters.

            Which are you?

            •  None of those categories tells you (0+ / 0-)

              what a person is about or who they are. There are plenty of high-earning and/or wealthy liberals. And what difference does it make to you what someone called doc2's financial situation is? Again, you seem to be convinced that you can tell something about someone based on what sort of activity takes place in their bank account. I'd think you'd want to not be so open about your prejudices.

      •  More than likely (1+ / 0-)
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        Barton Funk

        they left a few dead and many injured bodies in their wake as they single-mindedly pursued their ambitions, which is what 1% usually takes, unless of course you begin on third base...

        Even more likely, they believe they're "better" than everyone else and have difficulty sharing credit for the things they've accomplished with those who helped make it possible. This is especially true among those born on third base...

        Pretty much universal among the one percenters I have known.

        The reason the 1% is so powerful is that 99% of the 99% has a sleeping sickness. ☮ ♥ ☺

        by Words In Action on Mon Jul 08, 2013 at 01:52:18 PM PDT

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        •  Substitute the word "blacks" (0+ / 0-)

          for "one-percenters". For some reason you think you can stereotype people based on income, as if success in and of itself determines how good a person is. Just ugly.

          •  False equivalence. (1+ / 0-)
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            Barton Funk

            You know, psychologists will tell you that psychopaths, who are 1% of the general population, are 10% of executives.

            It IS a special population, by definition.

            Just as you can say that center-fielders tend to be faster than players at other positions, on the whole, you can say that 1 percenters are more selfish than everyone else, too. That has also been established.

            And my own experience, with 15 years as a corporate executive and 10 off an on as a small business owner in a market heavy with 1 percenters bore that out.

            You know which customers were most likely to give labor employees a decent tip in an industry where that is customary? Rich ones. Especially those with $10M+ homes. Same people who were most likely to make bogus claims in order to get money back... Just the way it is.

            The reason the 1% is so powerful is that 99% of the 99% has a sleeping sickness. ☮ ♥ ☺

            by Words In Action on Mon Jul 08, 2013 at 02:19:11 PM PDT

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            Barton Funk, Klusterpuck

            The reason the 1% is so powerful is that 99% of the 99% has a sleeping sickness. ☮ ♥ ☺

            by Words In Action on Mon Jul 08, 2013 at 02:40:56 PM PDT

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    •  So... (0+ / 0-)

      is that the fault of the teacher or the fault of the student?

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