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  •  you do realize this is a way to deflect the US... (1+ / 0-)
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    spy activities, don't you?

    Dear NSA: I am only joking.

    by Shahryar on Mon Jul 08, 2013 at 07:48:31 PM PDT

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    •  No. It's a way to put the focus back squarely on (0+ / 0-)

      them. If Snowden takes asylum in Venezuela, then rightly or wrongly he will be dismissed as a hypocrite at best. If you care about his revelations, you should be concerned with the hypocrisy of the countries attempting to co/opt them.

      If you only care about giving the US/NSA the finger, then your insistence that we not get distracted is puzzling and ultimately self-defeating.

      •  I'm afraid that's baloney (0+ / 0-)

        the people who are making this about Snowden are the ones who don't want to focus on the NSA.

        You know that the US is threatening countries to not give Snowden asylum. He'd be happy with Iceland or Norway. But if the US limits the choices then how does that make him a hypocrite? It's more like it makes the US look like a bully.

        but it's a sideshow. The main thing is, let's be thankful that we have a Democrat in the White House. But when we don't? If this isn't stopped now we are in for big trouble down the line.

        Dear NSA: I am only joking.

        by Shahryar on Mon Jul 08, 2013 at 08:47:28 PM PDT

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        •  Please. (1+ / 0-)
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          The idea that Iceland and Norway are client states of the US without sovereign will is as deluded as Snowden's suggestion that the government is controlling our minds.

          And why is it that Snowden wishes, on the one hand, to educate us about surveillance whose scope and implications are much broader than any one man, and on the other to save his own ass? That's fucked up.

          The other thing that annoys me about Snowden and Assange is their willingness to employ secrecy and collude with repressive regimes when it suits their purposes. Of course they have every right to act in their own self-interests, but they shouldn't pretend their actions have no cost. Snowden can go to Venezuela, but then he shouldn't pretend that his revelations aren't being used to repress Venezuelans, and neither he nor you should pretend his revelations wouldn't be cheapened by that choice.

          They would be.

          •  you forgot to reply to what we do with a Repub (2+ / 0-)
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            President, when he has these powers.

            Dear NSA: I am only joking.

            by Shahryar on Mon Jul 08, 2013 at 11:14:32 PM PDT

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            •  We do the same thing we do when a Democratic (1+ / 0-)
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              President has these powers. We elect representatives that reflect our will, and they will either expand or circumscribe his power in accordance with our will. That's how our democracy works.

              •  Not really (1+ / 0-)
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                how our democracy works. Not  a lot of will reflecting or representation coming out of the Dems. these days. You also forgot the Constitution. We are a nation of laws not men. The Law is King as a famous man once said. The majority voted for a Democratic changing of the guard after the Bush lawless nightmare. Did we get or did the Dems just blow us off and continue and expand the abuses of power. Not to mention aiding and abetting the bankster's wet dream free market fundamentalism.    

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