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  •  Calley served 3 1/2 years, not (5+ / 0-)

    3 1/2 months. But what is the Calley/Manning nexus? Why bring up a random military conviction from 40 years ago and compare it to someone charged with a completely different crime today?

    •  The Calley sentence set a horrible precedent. (1+ / 0-)
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      The nexus to Manning, IMO, is that here's another opportunity to set a horrible precedent.

      Just my opinion on where an actual nexus lies.

      John Roberts? Melville Fuller?? WTF is the difference???.

      by Walt starr on Tue Jul 09, 2013 at 10:21:01 AM PDT

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      •  Calley was actually sentenced to (2+ / 0-)
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        30 years of prison, hard labor. His sentence was commuted to 3 1/2 years of house arrest. It was very unpopular with the American people, who felt that he was being made a scapegoat by the US military.

        •  Actually, he was first sentenced to life (1+ / 0-)
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          at hard labor in Leavenworth, according to the Wikipedia article linked in the diary:

          After deliberating for 79 hours, the six-officer jury (five of whom had served in Vietnam) convicted him on March 29, 1971, of the premeditated murder of 22 Vietnamese civilians. On March 31, 1971, Calley was sentenced to life imprisonment and hard labor at Fort Leavenworth
          It goes on to explain why the sentence was subsequently reduced several times, eventually to time served. (Which as you noted was 3.5 years, not months.)
    •  The post was about My Lai, not Calley. (14+ / 0-)

      Calley was the only person charged in connection with the massacre, which involved a sizeable number of soldiers and a lengthy chain of command.

      The "nexus" (or "connection" as folk who find vogue words silly would say) is the evident paradox between the consequences suffered because of a truly heinous crime and one vastly less serious.

      I stand corrected on the months vs. years error in my reporting of Calley's punishment.

      I'm not sixty-two—I'm fifty-twelve!

      by Pragmatus on Tue Jul 09, 2013 at 10:27:10 AM PDT

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    •  I strongly agree (5+ / 0-)

      the correct comparison should be to the people responsible for the murders that Manning saw the video of.  How much time did they get?

      Oh, yeah, none.

      I want to see Snowden get a fair trial, an impartial jury, and the same sentence James Clapper gets for lying to Congress.

      by happymisanthropy on Tue Jul 09, 2013 at 11:09:19 AM PDT

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      •  From what I have read the Apache pilots (1+ / 0-)
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        were not even disciplined because there was no original Army tape available as evidence. That's my recollection, but others may know the actual facts.

        "let's talk about that"

        by VClib on Tue Jul 09, 2013 at 11:45:43 AM PDT

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