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  •  War crimes? (1+ / 0-)
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    Perhaps you could tell us all what war crimes were exposed by the disclosure of this cable:

    VZCZCXYZ0005
    OO RUEHWEB

    DE RUEHLE #0003 0151520
    ZNY CCCCC ZZH
    O R 151520Z JAN 10
    FM AMEMBASSY LUXEMBOURG
    TO RUEHC/SECSTATE WASHDC IMMEDIATE 0038
    INFO RUEHLE/AMEMBASSY LUXEMBOURG
    RUEHLO/AMEMBASSY LONDON 0001

    C O N F I D E N T I A L LUXEMBOURG 000003

    SIPDIS
    SENSITIVE
    DEPT FOR EUR/RPM AARON COPE, S/SRAP AND SCA/A

    E.O. 12958: DECL: 2020/01/15
    TAGS: MARR MOPS NATO PREL LU
    SUBJECT: DEMARCHE DELIVERED TO LUXEMBOURG FM: CLARIFYING THE
    TRANSITION TO AFGHAN LEAD PROVINCIAL RESPONSIBILITY

    REF: 10 STATE 4108

    DERIVED FROM: Derived from previous message.

    ¶1.       (C) During a previously scheduled office call at the
    Embassy on January 15, Ambassador conveyed reftel talking pints to
    Foreign Minister Asselborn.  Asselborn said he would be attending
    the January 28 Conference and was sorry that he would not be able
    to be present at Ambassador's credentialing ceremony at the palace
    that same day.

    ¶2.       (U) POC for this action is Pol/Econ Chief Michael A. Via,
    email: viama@state.gov.
    Stroum

    Or this one:
    C O N F I D E N T I A L HARARE 005602

    SIPDIS

    NSC FOR SENIOR AFRICA DIRECTOR GAYLE SMITH
    LONDON FOR CHARLES GURNEY
    PARIS FOR BISA WILLIAMS
    USUN FOR HOLBROOKE

    E.O. 12958: DECL: 10/03/10
    TAGS: PGOV PREL MOPS ZI CG SA
    SUBJECT: MBEKI TO CONVENE MEETING OF EXTERNAL
    SIGNATORIES ON DROC PEACE PROCESS
                           CONFIDENTIAL

    PAGE 02        HARARE  05602  031242Z

    REFS:  A) STATE 186856, B) HARARE 5584

    CLASSIFIED BY AMBASSADOR TOM MCDONALD.  REASONS: 1.5 (B)
    AND (D).

    ¶1.  (C) AMBASSADOR REACHED FOREIGN AFFAIRS MINISTER STANISLAUS MUDENGE BY PHONE ON OCTOBER 2 TO FOLLOW UP ON REF A DEMARCHE.  MUDENGE HAD BEEN UNAVAILABLE WHEN DEMARCHE WAS DELIVERED TO MFA PERMANENT SECRETARY WILLARD CHIWEWE SEPTEMBER 29 (REF B).  AMBASSADOR URGED MUDENGE TO USE ZIMBABWE'S INFLUENCE WITH KABILA TO PERMIT THE FULL MOVEMENT OF MONUC FORCES IN THE DROC AND TO ABIDE BY THE LUSAKA ACCORDS.  MUDENGE REPORTED THAT SOUTH AFRICAN PRESIDENT MBEKI WILL CONVENE SHORTLY A MEETING OF THE HEADS OF STATE OF THE EXTERNAL SIGNATORY COUNTRIES TO ASSESS THE CURRENT STATUS OF IMPLEMENTATION OF THE LUSAKA ACCORDS AND TO URGE KABILA TO ABIDE BY
    LUSAKA AND IMPLEMENT THE PEACE PROCESS.  THE MEETING WAS ORIGINALLY TO HAVE TAKEN PLACE OVER THE SEPTEMBER 30-OCTOBER 1 WEEKEND, BUT MBEKI POSTPONED IT.  MUDENGE REPORTED THAT PRESIDENT MUGABE SUPPORTS THE IDEA OF SUCH A MEETING.  AMBASSADOR CONVEYED U.S. SUPPORT FOR DISCUSSIONS THAT WOULD FURTHER THE PEACE PROCESS WITHOUT
    COMPROMISING THE LUSAKA AGREEMENTS.

    ¶2.  (C) COMMENT:  MUDENGE HAS BEEN LARGELY INACCESSIBLE SINCE RETURNING FROM WASHINGTON LAST MONTH AS HIS WIFE HAS BEEN QUITE ILL.  MUDENGE DID NOT STATE THE NATURE OF HER ILLNESS, BUT SAID THAT SHE WOULD REMAIN IN HARARE
    FOR TREATMENT.  ALTHOUGH THE MFA HAS FOR SOME TIME BEEN
                           CONFIDENTIAL

    PAGE 03        HARARE  05602  031242Z
    RATHER DYSFUNCTIONAL, MUDENGE'S RECENT UNAVAILABILITY, THE LACK OF A DEPUTY MINISTER AND AN EXPERIENCED PERMANENT SECRETARY HAS RENDERED THE MFA PARTICULARLY INEFFECTIVE.  WE WILL CONTINUE TO APPROACH OTHER SENIOR INTERLOCUTORS IN GOVERNMENT TO EMPHASIZE THE NEED FOR ZIMBABWE TO DO EVERYTHING IT CAN TO ENSURE THAT LUSAKA SUCCEEDS.

    MCDONALD

                           CONFIDENTIAL

    Or perhaps this one:
    P 231436Z JUN 99
    FM AMEMBASSY RIYADH
    TO SECSTATE WASHDC PRIORITY 8093
    INFO IRAN COLLECTIVE

    C O N F I D E N T I A L RIYADH 002025

    E.O. 12958: DECL: 06/23/05
    TAGS: PINR PREL SOCI IR SA
    SUBJECT: "PRETTY IN PINK" - FAIZAH RAFSANJANI

    (U) CLASSIFIED BY A/DCM JOHN MORAN FOR REASON 1.5 (B) AND (D)

    ¶1.  (U) FAIZAH RAFSANJANI, DAUGHTER OF FORMER IRANIAN PRESIDENT

    HASHEMI RAFSANJANI, VISITED SAUDI ARABIA JUNE 13-14 IN HER OFFICIAL ROLE AS DEPUTY CHAIRMAN OF IRAN'S NATIONAL OLYMPIC COMMITTEE AND CALLED FOR COOPERATION AMONG SAUDI AND IRANIAN WOMEN IN VARIOUS FIELDS. SHE PAID A FORMAL CALL ON FOREIGN MINISTER SAUD AL-FAISAL AND HAD A WORKING VISIT WITH SULTAN BIN FAHD, VICE-PRESIDENT OF THE GENERAL PRESIDENCY OF YOUTH WELFARE, AN ORGANIZATION THAT OVERSEES ALL SPORTS PROGRAMS, CULTURAL CLUBS, WRITERS SOCIETIES, AND A PANOPLY OF LITERARY AND ARTS MAGAZINES. SHE ALSO VISITED KING SAUD UNIVERSITY, KING ABDULAZIZ LIBRARY, AND THE PRINCE SALMAN SOCIAL CENTER.

    ¶2.  (C) AT A PRIVATE RIYADH DINNER ON JUNE 13 THROWN BY THE WIFE OF CROWN PRINCE ABDULLAH, HUSSA AL-SHA'ALAAN, MS. RAFSANJANI SPENT 30 MINUTES TALKING TO THE HOSTESS INCOGNITO, DUE TO THE FACT THAT HER CHANGED ATTIRE MADE HER UNRECOGNIZABLE.  EMBOFF AND OTHER WOMEN ATTENDING THE SOIREE DID NOT RECOGNIZE MS. RAFSANJANI, WHO APPEARED IN A SPORTY PANTS SUIT A LA MELROSE PLACE AND SHORT HAIRCUT, AS THE SAME PERSON WHO WAS SHOWN THAT DAY ON SAUDI TV
    NEWS, COMPLETELY SWATHED IN BLACK, CONFERRING FORMALLY WITH SAUDI OFFICIALS.

    ¶3.  (U)  COMMENT: ONE OF THE VERY FEW FEMALE EMISSARIES IN THE ISLAMIC/ARAB WORLD, MS. RAFSANJANI VISITED SAUDI ARABIA IN 1992, AND ACCOMPANIED HER FATHER ON HIS MARCH 1998 TRIP, WHICH INCLUDED PERFORMING UMRA AT MECCA.  WELL RESPECTED AS A MEMBER OF THE
    IRANIAN SHURA COUNCIL (TEHRAN) AND EDITOR OF "WOMAN" MAGAZINE, SHE IS GUARANTEED ACCESS AND CIRCULATION IN GULF DIPLOMATIC AND POLITICAL CIRCLES WITH HER NEW OLYMPIC PORTFOLIO.  GIVEN THE IMPORTANCE OF THE SAUDI PRESIDENCY OF YOUTH WELFARE AS A QUASI-MINISTRY AND THE IMPORTANT ROLE THAT SPORTS PLAY--ESPECIALLY SOCCER--AS A SANCTIONED ENTERTAINMENT AND SOCIAL "STEAM VALVE," MS. RAFSANJANI'S JUNE 17 REMARKS IN "AL-SHARQ AL-AWSAT" NEWSPAPER CALLING FOR WOMEN'S PARTICIPATION IN NATIONAL DEVELOPMENT AND IMPROVING THE IMAGE OF THE MUSLIM WOMAN IN THE WEST SHOULD BE VIEWED AS CARRYING THE IMPRIMATUR OF BOTH THE IRANIAN AND SAUDI GOVERNMENTS.  HER VISITS TO SAUDI ARABIA MAY INCREASE IN THE BACKDRAFT OF THE RECENT VISITS OF IRANIAN PRESIDENT KHATAMI AND SAUDI DEFMIN SULTAN.  NOTE: MS. RAFSANJANI WAS INSTRUMENTAL IN
    THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THE "WOMEN'S SPORTS SOLIDARITY COUNCIL," WHICH INCLUDES 40 ISLAMIC COUNTRIES.

    FOWLER

    •  Aren't you further disseminating confidential (4+ / 0-)
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      material in your effort to provide a red-herring to discussion of the actions of US troops killing civilians?

      It seems you are promoting the very thing you condemn.

      Alternatively, perhaps you could explain why those red-herrings are classified material at all?  

      "The law is meant to be my servant and not my master, still less my torturer and my murderer." -- James Baldwin. July 11, 1966.

      by YucatanMan on Tue Jul 09, 2013 at 11:42:16 AM PDT

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      •  Cat's out of the bag, innit? (1+ / 0-)
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        And your question about why the cables were classified is answered by the cables themselves:

        CLASSIFIED BY AMBASSADOR TOM MCDONALD.  REASONS: 1.5 (B) AND (D).
        Here, I'll even look up reasons 1.5 (b) and (d) for you, because that's the kind of helpful guy I am. They come from Executive Order 12958, signed by President Clinton in 1995.
        Sec. 1.5.  Classification Categories.
        Information may not be considered for classification unless it concerns:
        (a)         military plans, weapons systems, or operations;
        (b)         foreign government information;
        (c)         intelligence activities (including special activities), intelligence sources or methods, or cryptology;
        (d)         foreign relations or foreign activities of the United States, including confidential sources;
        (e)         scientific, technological, or economic matters relating to the national security;
        (f)         United States Government programs for safeguarding nuclear materials or facilities; or
        (g)         vulnerabilities or capabilities of systems, installations, projects or plans relating to the national security.
        This executive order supersedes earlier ones and is itself superseded by later ones, so the exact subsection(s) cited differ from cable to cable depending on when they were composed.

        Perhaps you could do me a solid in return and attempt to answer my original question.

        •  War Crimes? (2+ / 0-)
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          MS. RAFSANJANI SPENT 30 MINUTES TALKING TO THE HOSTESS INCOGNITO, DUE TO THE FACT THAT HER CHANGED ATTIRE MADE HER UNRECOGNIZABLE.  EMBOFF AND OTHER WOMEN ATTENDING THE SOIREE DID NOT RECOGNIZE MS. RAFSANJANI, WHO APPEARED IN A SPORTY PANTS SUIT A LA MELROSE PLACE AND SHORT HAIRCUT, AS THE SAME PERSON WHO WAS SHOWN THAT DAY ON SAUDI TV NEWS, COMPLETELY SWATHED IN BLACK
          Obviously, a sporty pants suit a la Melrose Place is an inexcusable war crime which deserves TOP SECRET - EYES ONLY designations.

          More shiny objects over there  <==/ ++++> ^

          "The law is meant to be my servant and not my master, still less my torturer and my murderer." -- James Baldwin. July 11, 1966.

          by YucatanMan on Tue Jul 09, 2013 at 01:44:07 PM PDT

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    •  Manning released over 400,000 (0+ / 0-)

      cables. So he couldn't have read more than 1% of them. Thus, he had no idea what the contents were of what he was releasing. How anyone could excuse that behavior on the part of a sworn intelligence analyst is beyond me. And yet some here not only excuse it, they relish it; he is actually a hero to some.

      •  That's long since been addressed, but (2+ / 0-)
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        good to hear it brought up again. The data was released on condition that Wikileaks work with responsible news organizations to vet the information and only publish that which was not dangerous.

        "Embarrassing" was not a disqualification to being published.

        Is it your position that reports of Arab women in jaunty pants suits is Top Secret information that should be withheld from the American people?  Crikey! The humanity!  Ohhh.....

        "The law is meant to be my servant and not my master, still less my torturer and my murderer." -- James Baldwin. July 11, 1966.

        by YucatanMan on Tue Jul 09, 2013 at 01:46:41 PM PDT

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        •  You think that is an acceptable answer? (0+ / 0-)

          He took data that only people with secret clearances should have access to and gave it wholesale to Julian Assange. How is that not completely illegal? And again, how is it whistle-blowing when you don't actually know what it says?

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