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  •  Gerrymandering interferes in the ability (0+ / 0-)

    of the people to change their minds, and is thus a fundamentally undemocratic phenomenon.  It doesn't even have the benefit being a practical solution to anything.  It's just corrupt and indefensible.  Moreover, I think it's obvious that gerrymandering has selectively benefited Republicans.  Obviously there's some asymmetry in how aggressively it's pursued and/or tolerated.  That alone would render it illegitimate.

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    by Troubadour on Tue Jul 09, 2013 at 06:36:36 PM PDT

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    •  It's important to bear in mend (1+ / 0-)
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      that some gerrymandering is done to avoid dilution of minority votes, that is by creating minority districts.  I agree that gerrymandering should be done away with, but it is a persistent problem.  Neither party has much desire to abolish it when they have to power to do so because at that time they also have the power to gerrymander districts in their favor.  It's about self-interest, sadly.

    •  if only the law worked that way. (0+ / 0-)

      not enough movements or interests in state legislatures to move to non-partisan gerrymandering. they will not do it until they lose a case or their legislatures are pushed to do so. those really are the only solutions to eliminating partisan gerrymandering as it's permissible under the constitution. we're not the only nation with this problem and it's a persistent, ancient problem.

      •  No time like the present to start dealing with it. (1+ / 0-)
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        I think it's time we articulated it as fundamental to democracy that elected officials don't get to choose their own electorates, because when they do, the people are denied their choice of governments.  The American people in 2012 put the Democratic Party back in control of the House, but the gerrymandered system didn't see it that way.

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        by Troubadour on Tue Jul 09, 2013 at 09:53:11 PM PDT

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        •  I don't disagree (2+ / 0-)
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          but you must accept that some very established Dems ( especially minority reps) may lose their seats.  I thin kwe could recover from an initial shift, but bear in mind that this is a possible immediate consequence.

          •  There could be a phased approach. (0+ / 0-)

            Places where black politicians can win in majority white constituencies probably don't need that level of protection.  Those where there's not much chance of that would still need the legal enclaves.  Which brings us back to VRA and preclearance formulas.

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            by Troubadour on Wed Jul 10, 2013 at 02:28:52 AM PDT

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