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    serendipityisabitch, Moravan

    in re-reading your comment, I just want to offer that I generally think of radical as a good thing.  Modernism was radical; the Industrial Revolution was radical; the Protestant Reformation was radical.  Bader-Meinhoff and the Weather Underground were radical as well.  I think the rupture (of thought and how one views the world or existence) that occurs with radical ideas and acts, even if I disagree with the substance of them, is a good thing.  

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      simply denoting an extraordinary degree of something, and then radical as a political disposition.  I don't define the latter as relative - it's an absolute tendency to prefer violent catharsis over consensus, and it occurs irrespective of circumstances.  

      And while all I know about Baader-Meinhof comes from the movie about it, if it's at all true I wouldn't call it a good thing: They were psychos.  The Weathermen were never consequential enough to even be considered psychos - they were idiots who blew up a statue three times.  I also saw a movie about a Japanese communist group from the '70s, and it was basically the same story as Baader-Meinhof: Over-cerebralized psychotics building so many incoherent ideas on top of each other that they basically lived in their own little sick, fervid bubble universe.  I don't find that engaging or inspiring.  They were disfigured minds ravings about the most obscure ideological minutiae you could possibly imagine.  

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      by Troubadour on Tue Jul 09, 2013 at 09:45:31 PM PDT

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        serendipityisabitch

        The Weather Underground did more than blow up three statues.  I am not a fan because I see them as a bunch of pseudo-radicalized bourgeois kids (I admit this is my prejudice), but they did engage in serious violent actions.  I am more sympathetic to the Baader-Meinhoff group (perhaps I romanticize a bit) because my lack of cultural knowledge leads me to believe they were more committed, as they relinquished their connections to their lives to fight their battle.  The movie on them is quite good IMO.  You may enjoy Fassbinder's critique of them in his film, The Third Generation.   In any case, I believe that radicals (on both sides) serve a critical function.  They compel us to reconsider where we stand, what we believe in, and what we are willing to do to vindicate (for want of a better word) our beliefs.  I believe the Hegelian dialectic captures the human experience.  

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