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  •  The Lifeblood of Empire... (4+ / 0-)

    Cash Exports. And Cash Imports. Without them, no Empire can long endure.

    Let us just say that the US Government uses our Corporations for profits just as our Corporations use our US Government for profits.

    A little marriage made in Hell, if you are a middle class person trying to manage an existence. The Empire has bigger concerns.

    Figures don't lie, but liars do figure-Mark Twain

    by OregonOak on Tue Jul 09, 2013 at 01:25:27 PM PDT

    •  What is your point? (0+ / 0-)


      Social welfare or transfer payment become unsustainable over time if "Cash Exports" is less than "Cash Imports".

      What is your point?

      Empire can be disassociated with a positive trade balance.


      •  You can either have Empire, or Democracy... (1+ / 0-)
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        but not both. We are not supposed to be an Empire. We are suffering because of our lust for power and wealth and our pathological desire to control others, especially the poor.

        Don't you get the point of being a Progressive? Empire needs to die as the last vestige of Monarchy and Ownership of Human Beings. Its time is up. It was up in 1918, but the Capitalists decided to have one more throw for their own convenience.

        Democracy and Empire are forever enemies, and to the extent that we have lost Democracy, to that extent we have gained Empire.

        Figures don't lie, but liars do figure-Mark Twain

        by OregonOak on Wed Jul 10, 2013 at 08:54:11 AM PDT

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        •  ? (0+ / 0-)

          I am trying to follow your argument and unpack it all.

          Are you are saying that a positive trade balance = empire?

          Why do you pick 1918 as your date of the death of capitalism?  The rise of Marxist-Leninism in Russia presumably?

          Thanks for the clarifications.

          •  Wow. Are you THAT uninformed, or just trying to (0+ / 0-)

            be provocative?

            Anyone who has read ANY history of the era ending in  1918, the defeat of the Germany Monarchy, the Russian Monarchy, the collapse of the Austo-Hungarian Empire, the beginning of the end of British Empire, effectively, and the end of the American experiment in colonialism understands that 1918, the year in which 25 million people died in war worldwide and another 50 million the next year from war-sparked influenza, was  a turning point in Western Civilization.

            Let's start there.  Capitalism, a word I never use because its meaning is fogged by the misapplication of it by people who claim to be Capitalists but who are really Apologists for Private Power and Militarists,  was the engine of Empire for the previous several centuries. America was colonized for corporate profit, as was Latin America, Africa, much of Asia, and Europe was the author of this Empire building based on profit for groups of people who were known as, but were not in reality, Capitalists. The Empires they created were for a time incredibly profitable, until the costs of keeping local people ignorant and poor via military means, both government and private armies became unsustainable, and the competition between the European Powers became so intense that it exploded into WW1, a war so big that it didnt end in 1918, but took a 20 year break, waiting for a different sort of power mad dictator to fire it back up again, resulting in WW2.

            The drivers of these immense self-immolations were the profits to be had by the government-backed enterprises, hardly capitalist, but militarist, imperialist and colonialist, of each Empire. These facts are really beyond dispute.

            The entire thrust of our foreign policy since 1918 has to be increased government power over private power to prevent these ego-mad Empire builders from getting enough power to do it all over again.

            Lets start our discussion there, and if you want to engage in the apparent name-calling and innuendo, go to another site where they are more stupid and less informed.

            Figures don't lie, but liars do figure-Mark Twain

            by OregonOak on Thu Jul 11, 2013 at 08:27:12 AM PDT

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