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  •  She is an anti-vaccine proponant, (9+ / 0-)

    believing that vaccines cause autism even though there has been no evidence to support the claim.

    More recently, she has written books about parenting, and has become an activist promoting research into environmental causes and alternative biomedical treatments for autism. She has claimed that vaccines cause autism and that chelation therapy helped cure her son—claims proven false by the medical community.
    •  Ahh the medical community (0+ / 0-)

      The medical community which by the way has not been proactive on the issue of autism ever since it was a rise decades ago, unless we're talking about treatment, which really doesn't cure autism.

      Sure, there is no anti-vaccination link but no resolution at the same time.  I'm more frustrated at the medical community than Jenny McCarthy, to be perfectly honest.  She still has to deal with an autistic child, like many other parents with autistic children since 1980's and 1990's.

      And we're still dealing with an autism epidemic.

      •  She has resulted in many deaths (6+ / 0-)

        Epidemics of diseases thought almost conquered returned after Jenny McCarthy started her anti-vax crusade.  She bought into Andrew Wakefield's totally fraudulent claim that DTP vaccine caused autism.  Some "liberal" communities that are open to "alternative" medical theories have had so many unvaccinated kids that small epidemics have started. It is truly shameful.

        I don't give a rats' ass that her son Evan may or may not have autism.  I know autistic kids and it's a real issue, but it is NOT, and has never been, caused by DTP or any other vaccine.  Jenny did nothing, nothing, to prevent autism; she simply caused other diseases to spread.

        She does not belong on TV.  Ever.  Except maybe to apologize, and then shut up.

        •  Ok but what about the resolution then to autism? (0+ / 0-)

          You say you know autistic kids but I happen to have an autisic brother myself and as point of personal admittance, I myself was affected in a similar way as my brother but have ADD (was originally diagnosed with ADD without the hyperactivity component).  The issue is not just about autism but also ADD/ADHD as well.

          I agree that the vaccination-autism link doesn't exist.  It's been proven wrong.  Sure, McCarthy did a disservice on the anti-vax crusade but I'm more concerned whether or not there is a resolution.  If there is a resolution and autism can be cured, then McCarthy and others with autistic children who know what it's like raising them can be at peace and see the light at the end of the tunnel.  Having a mother who also at one point bought into the Andrew Wakefield theory (and even met him at one point)

          Meanwhile, medical community hasn't done diddlysquat on autism except just treatment and so far, no one in Congress has taken a stand on  

          But it's really silly how we and other Kossacks are getting into the argument on the anti-vaccination thing when my original comment was just to offer sympathy for McCarthy being a parent with a son or daughter who is autistic.  That's all I'm saying and I don't have a problem with others who want to bring the false vaccination-autism link to the table.  However, no one else besides me in this discussion really seems interested in debating a resolution and simply wants to throw McCarthy against the wall just because of her anti-vaccination stance.

          Being I've got a brother who is autistic and a mother who has dealt with utter stress throughout most of her life in raising my brother, even before treatment options were available, I can point out to you that McCarthy is dealing with more stress than a regular parent raising non-autistic children and that kind of stress you won't understand until you've been in a situation like my mother and others have.  I'd like to see folks in the medical community reach out to McCarthy and tell her, "We disagree with your crusade against vaccinations strongly but we are willing to do more research on the autism issue."  But they don't.

          •  You don't know that (0+ / 0-)

            Meanwhile, medical community hasn't done diddlysquat on autism except just treatment and so far, no one in Congress has taken a stand on

            The autism spectrum of disorders, like any other brain disorders, are a genuinely difficult problem for science to study.  That they haven't been successful at discovering anything better than coping strategies does not, by any stretch of the imagination, mean they haven't been trying their damndest.

        •  Part of comment not finished on my part (0+ / 0-)

          Having a mother who also at one point bought into the Andrew Wakefield theory (and even met him at one point), what she wants more than anything is answers.  Often times parents in more stress than usual in dealing with autistic children can't think as rationally as others.  They work their best but that's what stress can do to you if you deal with regularly, day-to-day in raising an autistic child.

          •  I was an autistic child. I am an autistic adult. (4+ / 0-)
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            And there is nothing fucking "wrong" with me that needs to be cured, thanks.

            Am I different? Yes.  But I'm not broken because I see the world in a different way than neurotypical people do.  In fact, some of the ways I see things give me advantages over NT people in certain types of environments and work.

            Looking for a "cure" is not advocating for us.  Finding ways to support our needs does not require change from us, but from society at large.  People are individuals with different needs and abilities - on the spectrum or not.

            And we sail and we sail and we never see land, just the rum in the bottle and a pipe in my hand...

            by Mortifyd on Wed Jul 10, 2013 at 01:05:06 AM PDT

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            •  I read that SAP is actively recruiting autistics (1+ / 0-)
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              because of their ability "to think out of the box" and see things in a completely novel way.

              Article can be found here

              •  I'm not an engineer, but I'm glad to see some (0+ / 0-)

                companies are recognising the value of autism in the workplace.  I had several jobs where I was repeatedly awarded for top productivity and attention to detail as a result of my autism.

                No need to fix something not broken, I say.

                And we sail and we sail and we never see land, just the rum in the bottle and a pipe in my hand...

                by Mortifyd on Wed Jul 10, 2013 at 04:03:42 AM PDT

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      •  Define "the medical community"... (2+ / 0-)
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        Research needs funding.  Funding comes from either the federal government (Admittedly, doled out by the fairly competent NIH, which has its own fairly rigorous process for deciding what to fund) or corporations.  The latter clearly don't represent the "medical community".  The former are a fairly small subset of that community, using guidelines that ultimately come from people most definitely not part of that community.

        And what do you mean by "not pro-active", exactly, anyways?

        •  Medical community in my argument is directed... (0+ / 0-)

          Mostly at doctors.  

          So perhaps I should say doctors instead of the medical community.  However, the medical community as a whole is conflicted and the community itself does include researchers, chemists, anyone working in a laboratory, etc.

          When I'm referring to the medical community, I'm not blaming everyone in the medical community on the autism issue in case that's what you're wondering.  I'm just referring to the community as whole, has not been consistent and united on the autism issue from the get-go.

          Psychiatrists though (and knowing a good one myself) do have more insight on the issues of autism and ADD/ADHD but so far have not found any medications that have been known to treat autistic children or adults.  There are treatment methods but they don't depend on medication.  I understand, from my mother (who has told me a lot on autistic treatment methods) that they aren't medicine-based but more therapy based.  

          But the issue here is that, even therapy in treating autistic children is not enough to stop the tide of autism.  With plenty of autistic children having such treatment options, there are still other more worse off autistic children who just can't be treated.

          But this issue was never a problem in the 1950's or I believe 1960's so how has it all of a sudden become an epidemic today?  

          And that's where I point out the lack of proactiveness among the medical community.  There are lots of researchers on autism (non-Dr. Wakefield followers) who have been proactive for years in making the whole medical community aware of things.  However, doctors and others who practice the medicine and the regular care have been for years not taking a stand on this.  Perhaps I haven't kept up to date on this but knowing my mother, if there's been any advancement on this front, she'd have heard about it by now.  She's been to just about every autism group in the U.S., particularly Autism Speaks (which former U.S. Senate Candidate Elizabeth Emken is apart of).

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