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  •  Yes, why not (9+ / 0-)

    boycott and protest corporate and government misdeeds 24/7???

    What, you like getting ripped off, screwed over and marginalized more and more each day?

    For the record, illustrious boycotts introduced me not just to politics but this key threshold, that audacity of change demands audacious confrontation. Effective protests not only grabbed headlines for months but testified that collective folks, vociferous, organized and focused, can make history, even reverse entrenched powers by sidestepping electioneering or the Washington shuffle.
    Too much soma?

    The reason the 1% is so powerful is that 99% of the 99% has a sleeping sickness. ☮ ♥ ☺

    by Words In Action on Tue Jul 09, 2013 at 08:43:40 PM PDT

    •  ... (11+ / 0-)

      Help me to be the best Wavy Gravy I can muster

      by BOHICA on Tue Jul 09, 2013 at 08:55:00 PM PDT

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    •  It is hard to boycott stuff like toilet paper (4+ / 0-)
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      and even just flipping a light switch or getting gas for your vehicle.

    •  I actually disagree. (6+ / 0-)

      Start asking around your progressive friends, just ask what companies they don't do business with, what products they won't buy.

      You'll likely get quite a list: Walmart, Chick-Fil-A,  Koch Bros products, Target, various oil companies (usually Exxon and BP), etc.

      I'm often amazed when I talk to people and I hear "oh, I don't shop there," and they have their progressive reasons why.

      Could we more organized? Probably. But Walmart/Sams knows we don't shop there. More importantly,  JC Penny knows we don't shop at Walmart. So does Sears and Kmart and Costco. We can't change Walmart. But we can change the others.

      We're motivated and dedicated. Less cynicism and more focus and organization would help.

      I don't know who that author in the post is, but he clearly isn't aware that progressives have undermined Rush Limbaugh's show. Paula Deen was dumped by her sponsors out of fear that they would be boycotted.

      We're out here, even if critics don't notice what we're doing. It takes a long time to turn the head of giant corporations. Walmart dumped Paula Deen. You think they don't pay attention?

      © grover


      So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

      by grover on Tue Jul 09, 2013 at 11:07:06 PM PDT

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      •  You've put your finger on (3+ / 0-)
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        the key point.

        The past boycotts and movements cited by the excerpt weren't successful because they mobilized "progressives". They were effective because they mobilized people beyond the confines of progressive politics.

        For example; the United Farm Workers boycott of Iceberg Lettuce wasn't successful because self identified progressives/liberals/radicals stopped buying lettuce. It's success was due to the support of average folks who were won over to the Farm worker's cause. Human sympathy and decency, not political ideology, is what motivated these folks.

        Likewise the Montgomery Bus Boycott was won, not by political ideology, but by the determination of black working folks who's politics may have extended no further than opposition to Jim Crow.

        Technology not withstanding, you won't see these kind of movements until liberals/progressives/radicals stop operating within the charmed circle of the politically like minded and take up the hard work of organizing those who don't necessarily accept every jot and tittle of their politics.  

        Nothing human is alien to me.

        by WB Reeves on Wed Jul 10, 2013 at 02:03:40 AM PDT

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        •  The trouble with that is radicals, by their nature (0+ / 0-)

          , do not like preaching beyond the choir and do not respect compromise.  Makes it hard to gather round common ground.

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          by dinotrac on Wed Jul 10, 2013 at 04:30:22 AM PDT

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          •  Feels like a summary of this week (1+ / 0-)
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            At dailykos.

            ;)

            © grover


            So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

            by grover on Wed Jul 10, 2013 at 08:10:08 AM PDT

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        •  The citizens who maintained the bus strike (0+ / 0-)

          Really struggled to do so. But they had struggled to fight for every little bit of progress they had achieved since the Emancipation Proclamation was signed.

          You can pretend they weren't progressives.  But I can't think of a better word to use to describe them.

          (They, their children and grandchildren are also the most reliable voting bloc Democrats have.. And are derided around here for not being "progressive enough."). Not being driven by political ideology? They wanted to vote. They knew who was oppressing them each and every day. Did you think they wanted to vote for town librarian?

          I think you might seriously reconsider what you think I'm talking about. I know unemployed folks, days away from bankruptcy, who won't step foot in a Walmart because of the family and corporation's ethics. They know what Walmart does to its workers, and they won't support it.

          Some days, it helps to get outside the dailykos bubble.

          We need better focus and leadership. But progressives are people out there, everywhere.

          © grover


          So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

          by grover on Wed Jul 10, 2013 at 08:22:54 AM PDT

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          •  I'm not looking to be disagreeable (1+ / 0-)
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            but since I grew up during the Civil Rights movement and have been privileged to know and work with people directly involved in the struggle here in the deep south, I'd say your assertion that I'm opining from within the "Kos bubble" is less than accurate.

            As for the notion that you can slap a political label of progressive on the masses of people involved in that struggle, I can only point out that you are basing that on your own view of their political character, not on how they viewed themselves. I'd say that's putting the cart before the horse. Opposing Jim Crow may have been objectively "progressive" but it doesn't follow that such opposition makes one progressive in a general political sense. After all, Charlton Heston marched for Civil Rights and the label progressive certainly didn't describe his politics.

            I'd also have to say that the desire to vote isn't any indicator of a general political view. It's an indicator of a desire for full citizenship. Prior to the Civil Rights struggle black folks in the south were far more likely to sympathize with Republicans than Democrats, since the southern Democratic Party was, until then, the party of white supremacy.

            In short, rather than assuming we know what motivates others, wouldn't it make more sense to actually ask them? The movements cited were not monolithic. They were essentially exercises in coalition building and contained a wide variety of views outside of the central organizing issue. When these coalitions fragmented along ideological lines they became weaker and weaker, leading directly to the situation we have today.

            Nothing human is alien to me.

            by WB Reeves on Wed Jul 10, 2013 at 12:30:30 PM PDT

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    •  I can think of one reaon: lots of us are already (1+ / 0-)
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      engaged in full-time boycotts due to lack of money and high food and fuel prices.

      It may be that the people who can afford to buy things aren't in a boycotting mood.

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      by dinotrac on Wed Jul 10, 2013 at 04:25:17 AM PDT

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