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  •  Your idea of history is backwards. (10+ / 0-)

    Humphrey too left?  Humphrey lost because he waited until late October to finally break with that warmonger Johnson over Vietnam.  When he finally did, he surged, but it was too late.

    Dukakis too far left?  Hilarious.  He was a neoliberal Corporocrat who ran on the "Massachusetts Miracle" of cuddling up to the business interests in his state.  The 1936 version of FDR and Dukakis have nothing in common.

    Gore too far left?   Gore was DLC, remember?  He was Clinton's twin.  People were sick of Clinton's triangulating, and Gore went down.  Gore only decided to move left after he lost.

    Kerry too far left?  Kerry ran as Ike, Jr. with stages full of uniforms and "reporting for duty."  People were sick of war and Kerry's hypocritical posturing.  Kerry is just another neoliberal New Dem.

    People could say that the Republicans lost in '64 because Goldwater was too far right.  LOL.  Then they won with Reagan and Bush, Jr. who made Goldwater look like a moderate.

    The diary's author, however, is way too naive.  McGovern didn't lose because of political incompetence.  He lost because TPTB in the Democratic Party sabotaged him, from Humphrey to Meany to Strauss to Jackson.  The interests who loved war and corporate money, the same interests that run the Democratic Party now, made sure no one truly nominated by the grass roots would ever be successful.

    The Democratic Party is never a vehicle for change.  It's where social movements go to die.

    •  While Humphrey did not break with Johnson on the (11+ / 0-)

      war until late, he was  very liberal throughout his political life.  As VP, he was not likely to attack Johnson on the war. Being a liberal is not a one issue state of being.

      And yes, Goldwater lost because he was too far right for the time - even though the conservative Republicans took over the party afterwards.

      As to the 1932 election (which was FDR's first time) who campaigned on his party's platform plank of "immediate and drastic reductions of all public expenditures"? Situations change policy - sometimes for the better, sometimes for the worse.

      Dukakis, Gore, and Kerry may not be liberal enough for you, but the perception at least of their being liberal did indeed cause their defeats. Though their personalities also contributed.  For example, if Gore had won TN, he would have been President. As a Tennessean, I can tell you for certain that his liberal stances on a variety of issues is why he lost the state.

      The Democratic Party has certainly been a vehicle for change in my lifetime - to say nothing of the 10 years before I was born. It is incomprehensible to say otherwise. In my lifetime, Voting Rights Act, Medicare, Medicaid, Pell grants to name a few. In the 10 years before I was born (well, 10 years and a few months) - social security.

      You can't scare me, I'm sticking to the Union - Woody Guthrie

      by sewaneepat on Wed Jul 10, 2013 at 05:12:59 AM PDT

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      •  How sad it is... (5+ / 0-)

        that it's been nearly 50 years since any of the legislation you list has been passed:

        In my lifetime, Voting Rights Act, Medicare, Medicaid, Pell grants to name a few. In the 10 years before I was born (well, 10 years and a few months) - social security
        It's not a question of "what have you done for me lately."

        It's a question of whether there is any substantive resemblance between the Democratic Party of the 30s or 60s and the sham institution that steals the votes of working people today.

        •  Okay, ending DADT (6+ / 0-)

          (for that matter, DADT was a damned sight better than the policy before which was a BCD whether you talked or not), Lilly Ledbetter, the recent SC ruling on DOMA (and the administration's decision not to defend it - and the SC appointments of the President is what enabled that decision to be made), Obamacare which is also a damned sight better than before, EPA rulings on CAFE standards and CO2 as a greenhouse gas, pushing for marriage equality, expansion of tax credits for lower income people... that's just a few of the other things brought to you by the Democratic Party by thinking just a few seconds.

          You can't scare me, I'm sticking to the Union - Woody Guthrie

          by sewaneepat on Wed Jul 10, 2013 at 06:45:03 AM PDT

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          •  Again, pretty sad. (2+ / 0-)
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            Lilly Ledbetter vs. the Civil Rights Act.

            A few EPA rulings vs. the EPA legislation itself.

            Even sadder:

            Obamacare vs. Medicare.

            As for LGBT equality issues, the Democratic Party had to be pushed and "evolve" for years.  They brought up the rear rather than lead.

            •  Brought up the rear? (2+ / 0-)
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              Where are the Republicans?

              Since the Civil Rights Act had already passed, it would be hard to re-pass it. Same with the EPA legislation. It is the regulations that count now.

              If you were a woman, LL is pretty important.

              Where exactly do you think we would be if Clinton and Obama had lost? If you use the strawman that some other Democrat would have been better, well, "a better Democrat" did not win the nomination.

              We live in a democratic republic. I learned a long time ago that the American people don't always agree with me about who should be President. My best option is working for the best person as nominee and then working for the nominee who can win who will further social justice - imperfect as they are always going to be and as slow as that process is. I don't know when you think there was a more socially just government anywhere - not to say that it does not stand improving. Just Dr. King was correct - we are moving toward justice and whatever I can do to help that along, I will do - including voting for people who don't do everything I want.

              You can't scare me, I'm sticking to the Union - Woody Guthrie

              by sewaneepat on Wed Jul 10, 2013 at 08:17:37 AM PDT

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            •  And when did evolving get to be bad? (3+ / 0-)
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              Do you think people didn't evolve on civil rights for African Americans? Do you think it emerged full grown from Zeus' head? Here are some things that led to people evolving - 4 little girls being blown up; students sitting peacefully at lunch counters; dogs and fire hoses; then as times got better - sports; I Spy, Julia, All in the Family  and other TV shows; getting to know people at work and school who are "different" from you.

              For LGBT rights, here are some things that helped people evolve - Matthew Shepherd; Ellen, Will and Grace and other TV shows; LGBT people coming out so that everyone realizes that they have friends, family, co-workers who are LGBT.

              If you look at the history of any struggle, people have to evolve. That is to be praised IMO; otherwise, you are putting people who do evolve into the same category with those who never think, question, or learn from experiences.

              You can't scare me, I'm sticking to the Union - Woody Guthrie

              by sewaneepat on Wed Jul 10, 2013 at 08:45:10 AM PDT

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        •  healthcare. nt (1+ / 0-)
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          EdriesShop Is it kind? is it true? is it necessary?

          by edrie on Wed Jul 10, 2013 at 08:52:39 AM PDT

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        •  Last time we did anything good was ADA and FMLA (0+ / 0-)

          early 90s.

          Since '94 it's all been downhill.

          Ou sont les neigedens d'antan?

          by SouthernLiberalinMD on Wed Jul 10, 2013 at 10:59:34 AM PDT

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    •  TPTB? (0+ / 0-)

      What is TPTB?

      "If this Studebaker had anymore Atomic Space-Age Style, you'd have to be an astronaut with a geiger counter!"

      by Stude Dude on Wed Jul 10, 2013 at 07:33:15 AM PDT

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