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  •  "ignore the social issues" (3+ / 0-)
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    tell that to Texas women.  

    Difficult, difficult, lemon difficult.

    by Loge on Wed Jul 10, 2013 at 06:11:05 AM PDT

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    •  The economic issues and social issues (2+ / 0-)
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      are intrinsically linked.

      Having the social freedom and equality to live a basic, dignified existence is hard without sufficient economic means to actually enjoy said freedom and equality.

      •  i don't disagree (1+ / 0-)
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        but that wasn't the comment, and that general principle isn't quite an indictment of the Obama administration.  Could things be better, of course; but are they better than they'd otherwise be?  Also the case.  I don't think a fair criticism of Obama means giving up on that idea, it means doing a better job of defining the baseline against which to measure progress or lack of it.

        Difficult, difficult, lemon difficult.

        by Loge on Wed Jul 10, 2013 at 07:45:22 AM PDT

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    •  Yeah. It'll help a lot that I have access to (5+ / 0-)

      abortions and can marry a woman when my family loses their jobs and we can't afford rent anymore. Of course, if we elect enough Democrats, we can be sure that only 6 billion will be cut from food stamps and not 20 billion.

      Thanks for that.

      Ou sont les neigedens d'antan?

      by SouthernLiberalinMD on Wed Jul 10, 2013 at 08:20:50 AM PDT

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      •  or elect republicans and not pass any (0+ / 0-)

        re authorization of the farm bill at all.  so, so better.  40 consecutive months of job growth also contributes positively.  Not sure how that adds up to justifying "ignoring" social issues, either, especially to those women who wind up with unplanned pregnancies.

        Difficult, difficult, lemon difficult.

        by Loge on Wed Jul 10, 2013 at 08:42:49 AM PDT

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        •  So we should starve a little at a time as opposed (4+ / 0-)

          to bringing the hammer down on us all at once.

          Again, thanks for that.

          40 consecutive months of job growth--boy are you ever drinking the Labor dept's Kool-aid.

          What kind of jobs, Loge? At what wages? How many hours? How does it compare to the jobs people had before the crash? What percentage of GDP since the crash has gone to wage-earners? What happens to the people who are out of work longer than 6 months, and what effect does it have on the rest of us when they become categorized as unemployable by the private sector, and the public sector does nothing about it? What happens when the continued antics of Wall St cause another crash? How many more people will be forced into the ranks of the permanently unemployed?

          Ou sont les neigedens d'antan?

          by SouthernLiberalinMD on Wed Jul 10, 2013 at 08:58:55 AM PDT

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          •  Actually Krugman just wrote about that.... (3+ / 0-)

            ...on Monday....

            Defining Prosperity Down
            Paul Krugman
            NY Times Op-Ed
            July 8th, 2013

            Friday’s employment report wasn’t bad. But given how depressed our economy remains, we really should be adding more than 300,000 jobs a month, not fewer than 200,000. As the Economic Policy Institute points out, we would need more than five years of job growth at this rate to get back to the level of unemployment that prevailed before the Great Recession. Full recovery still looks a very long way off. And I’m beginning to worry that it may never happen…

            … there’s remarkably little political pressure to end our continuing, if low-grade, depression.

            Someday, I suppose, something will turn up that finally gets us back to full employment. But I can’t help recalling that the last time we were in this kind of situation, the thing that eventually turned up was World War II.

            "I always thought if you worked hard enough and tried hard enough, things would work out. I was wrong." --Katharine Graham

            by bobswern on Wed Jul 10, 2013 at 10:51:06 AM PDT

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        •  On the subject of "ignoring" social issues: (6+ / 0-)

          Fuck that choice. Fuck that dichotomy, which was borne out of 3rd-way politics. Fuck using the oppression of women and gays as some kind of stick to beat progressives into line with, as in:  "You'd better not agitate for real economic change, or Republicans will win, and they'll implement hellish sexist and racist policies beyond your wildest dreams. Accept LGBT rights advances and women's rights advances (when we deign to give them to you; otherwise roll over and accept the poison pill in the ACA like a good partisan!) and be grateful that it's not worse."

            I guess if two lesbians want to marry and can't get jobs, they can live in the subway and like it.

          Ou sont les neigedens d'antan?

          by SouthernLiberalinMD on Wed Jul 10, 2013 at 09:00:20 AM PDT

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    •  Why are social (1+ / 0-)
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      issues separate from decent Democratic policies and governance? Maybe if the Democratic party machine pols were actually democratic and quit giving the Republican maniacs equivalence it would help to rid ourselves these creepy women hating assholes like Perry and Walker?

      In 2007 we had a D candidate who campaigned like a Democrat and people resoundingly voted for change. Maybe they did not listen to him properly as I'm told here a lot but I think they got what he was selling. Turned out it was a bait and switch and a 'two for' to boot. Blue dogs still have all the inside power in DC. Harry being a prime example. Debbie "what kill list?' Wasserman Look at the appointments this so called Democratic administration has put in place. Or this Dem. administration's constant kabuki for 'victories for compromise'.    

      'I'm taking back my country and the vehicle I'm using is the Democratic party'   Howard Dean 2003

      Howard Dean was a real 'moderate' but he challenged the party machine and was taken down. btw. Gibbs had a large hand in that dirty piece of politicking. It always floors me when people here start with the progressives lost the house in 2010. No the Democratic weasel's lost the House. The Kabuki was so bad that the 'hope and change' became 'victories for compromise' and the voter's enthusiasm became voters disgust.          

      •  In '08, we voted for Reform. (1+ / 0-)
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        The Tea Party was auto-fueled when all we got was "Look forward, not backward."

        If the nightly news had shown a sequence of Wall St. perp walks, the D's would probably not have collapsed in '10.

        •  Or even the modest (1+ / 0-)
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          start of real 'reform' letting the Bush tax cut's fade away into the sunset, where they belong, gone daddy gone. The tea party serves the pols well, keeps the debate or expectations in a swamp where the crazy shit is given equivalence. Weird shit grows in dark. The perp walk would be great for the theater. It could be useful, as purges always sell tickets, but I'd settle for some good old fashioned real trust busting, real regulations and a justice dept. that enforced the Law. How about an economy that worked for 'we the people' globally? Of course the law these days is up for grabs and reinterpretations of old law along with new law is 'the way forward'. Still even a Republican like Teddy Roosevelt who was a bully bully had enough sense to actually bust some trusts.        

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