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  •  Exactly. And... (1+ / 0-)
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    ...as driving becomes more expensive, it builds a constituency for public transit. Or (gasp!) smarter land use planning, so people don't have to live so damn far from where they work.

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    by HeyMikey on Wed Jul 10, 2013 at 01:36:51 PM PDT

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    •  but in Atlanta they are blocking Mass Transit (3+ / 0-)
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      because they don't want the "undesirables" in their neighborhoods.

      I am completely opposed to HOT lanes.  People already pay gas tax.  Be honest and raise gas taxes instead of creating HOT lanes.

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      by Sychotic1 on Wed Jul 10, 2013 at 01:59:15 PM PDT

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      •  Public transit available. Compared to what? (0+ / 0-)

        MARTA provides public transportation in a few central-metro-Atlanta counties (Georgia counties are small), and GRTA provides public transportation over the larger metro area. The GRTA route map is here: http://www.xpressga.com/...

        I completely agree the gas tax should be raised. But this is Georgia; it ain't gonna be. And I'd like to see the Georgia income tax raised on high earners, but that ain't gonna happen either.

        HOT lanes derive revenue from a subset of the affluent who are engaged in a particularly environmentally and socially destructive activity--long-distance vehicle commuting. That's more progressive than any realistic option for revenue in Georgia.

        AND if HOT lanes prompt people crawling along in the regular lanes to support more public transit and better zoning, so much the better.

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        by HeyMikey on Wed Jul 10, 2013 at 02:53:45 PM PDT

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        •  So we get a little money from people who (1+ / 0-)
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          get a great convenience in return while the rest of us are still left with an unsolved traffic snarl. There is no incentive to really improve the traffic situation for everyone as long as the well-off have their privileges.

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          by Lily O Lady on Wed Jul 10, 2013 at 03:03:49 PM PDT

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          •  Crawling along in traffic is its own incentive. (0+ / 0-)

            Please see my other comment, "That's the problem with democracy."

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            by HeyMikey on Wed Jul 10, 2013 at 03:24:06 PM PDT

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    •  HOV lanes make more sense than HOT lanes if (0+ / 0-)

      you want to reduce the environmental impact. And as Sychotic1 mentions, mass transit is even better. But those with money who love their cars resent "subsidizing" the poor by providing mass transit

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      by Lily O Lady on Wed Jul 10, 2013 at 02:36:00 PM PDT

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